Didn't Conservatives staple teabags to their faces because of this very thing?

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I never said anything like a "pox on both houses."

Yes, you have. That's what you've been arguing this whole time; that "both sides" deserve equal scorn and that "both sides" lack merit equally. Otherwise, you'd have to come down on a side and say that one side has more merit than the other, thus both sides are not to blame, nor do both sides deserve equal scorn.

You keep saying that you're not drawing equivalences, when that is exclusively what you're doing.

To say the two parties use the same techniques and methods is not necessarily a criticism.

It's a lazy fucking distraction is what it is.

And no, the techniques are not the same.

Not even by a longshot, and this is proven in this thread where Conservatives stapled teabags to their faces to posture over the debt and deficit their policies caused.

There is no equivalent of that on "the left".

There is only the meritless nonsense of that teabagging.

 

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And Conservatives count Nazis and fascists as "very fine people".

LIE and LAME; a sure sign of a lost argument and the last desperate refuge for liars, fools and ignorance; and those who have lost their arguments. Yay you!

 

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I think you've spent all your time trying to craft a way where you can posture that you're above the fray while heaping equal amounts of scorn on "both sides" because you think that elevates you.

Let me be the first to tell you: It doesn't.

I never said I was "above the fray." That is more unfounded speculation on your part pretending to know what others are thinking. I did not heap scorn on both sides, I said they both use the same tactics because they work. If sleazy tactics win votes, get us to buy products or watch tv shows or buy cell phones I don't blame them for continuing to use those tactics. Look at how well they have worked on you to believe everything one side is selling.

I don't believe politicians are all a bunch of crooks, that big money buys elections, or that corporations control Americans. That is the kind of oppressed victim mentality that convinces voters that their side is going to change all that because they are the good guys and underdogs and going to take back America from the evil forces.

 

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That's what you're saying, Flash.

You're saying that the policies don't matter because "both sides..."

You're saying they're not the same, then you say they are the same in literally the next sentence.

So, OK, so if they're not the same, then you would agree that liberal economics has more merit than Conservative economics?

I think you've spent all your time trying to craft a way where you can posture that you're above the fray while heaping equal amounts of scorn on "both sides" because you think that elevates you.

Let me be the first to tell you: It doesn't.

Yes, you have. That's what you've been arguing this whole time; that "both sides" deserve equal scorn and that "both sides" lack merit equally. Otherwise, you'd have to come down on a side and say that one side has more merit than the other, thus both sides are not to blame, nor do both sides deserve equal scorn.

You keep saying that you're not drawing equivalences, when that is exclusively what you're doing.




It's a lazy fucking distraction is what it is.

And no, the techniques are not the same.

Not even by a longshot, and this is proven in this thread where Conservatives stapled teabags to their faces to posture over the debt and deficit their policies caused.

There is no equivalent of that on "the left".

There is only the meritless nonsense of that teabagging.

Triggered loony tune.

 

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You fall for the Democratic line and Republicans fall for the line put out by their party

"Both sides are the same and I'm better than them because I can see above it from this pedestal I've put myself on".

 

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They appeal to our emotions and pseudo-intellectualism and get our votes and money. Many cannot see this and follow the party line.

So then you believe that both sides share equal scorn and lack merit equally.

So why are you saying that you don't believe that?

 

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Not even by a longshot, and this is proven in this thread where Conservatives stapled teabags to their faces to posture over the debt and deficit their policies caused.

There is no equivalent of that on "the left".

There is only the meritless nonsense of that teabagging.

Again, a distraction on your part. None of my posts have done anything to defend conservatives; yet, most of your replies tell me what is bad about conservatives.

We are still waiting for links or pictures about people stapling teabags to their faces. Show us that "proof."

 

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We know whether they will think Kavanaugh or Ford was telling the trut

It's not about who was telling the truth.

It's about finding out the truth.

Conservatives didn't want to find out the truth, which is why they limited the investigation.

So once again, Flash, you're making the same bad faith mistakes you always make; you boil things down to a false equivalent level, you misrepresent what the subject is actually about, and you posture.

whether they will attack or defend Smollett for his actions

That whole thing is weird.

d whether they think Trump committed any crimes.

Again, we cannot make this determination because Conservatives are refusing to release the report.

All we have to go on is the word of Bill Barr, the same guy who covered up Iran/Contra 30 years ago.

So this isn't about whether or not Trump committed crimes, this is about finding out the truth by releasing the report.

Once the report is released, we can then -and only then- make the judgments about whether or not Trump is guilty of committing crimes.

We can't get to that step unless the report is released, which is what Conservatives are refusing to do.

 

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Still waiting to see all these Conservatives that stapled teabags to their faces. Poor triggered lying liberal asshole.

 

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It wasn't magic. It is called the economic cycle and it always recovers

NO! This is magical thinking.

There is no such thing as a natural economic cycle. All economic cycles are the result of actions taken by the government or the private sector.

Nothing happens "just because"

When it comes to the economy, there is no such thing as an "invisible hand".

Recovery requires action to be taken.

Do you honestly believe that if Obama hadn't passed the ARRA in February 2009 that the economy would have stopped contracting by August 2009?

 

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NO!

It doesn't always recover.

Recovery requires action to be taken.

Do you honestly believe that if Obama hadn't passed the ARRA in February 2009 that the economy would have stopped contracting by August 2009?

Still waiting to see all these Conservatives that stapled teabags to their faces. You pathetic triggered lying liberal asshole.

 

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Spending as a percent of the GDP actually declined under Clinton putting it below the average spending.

Do you know why spending as a percent of the GDP declined during Clinton despite Outlays increasing 32% from 1993-2001?

BECAUSE OF THE RECORD ECONOMIC EXPANSION THAT STARTED ONCE THE TAX INCREASES WERE PASSED.

THAT is why spending-as-a-percentage-of-GDP decreased so much during Clinton, not because spending was cut (it wasn't, spending grew 32% over Clinton's 8 years), it was because of the record economic expansion that happened.

This is exactly what I mean when I say you act in bad faith.

 

[Flash]

"Both sides are the same and I'm better than them because I can see above it from this pedestal I've put myself on".

A person does not have to be on a pedestal to observe reality and read the angry posts spewing hatred.

Publicity methods and campaigning are not done by the two parties but by campaign consultants they hire to win elections. Look at some of the websites of these firms--they list their winning records like a football coach. These are the methods used by the two parties.

The policies proposed by the parties have different elements--some good and some bad--which is not the same as the methods they use to win election and attract supporters. And whether these policy elements are good or bad depends on individual opinions. I thought Kavanaugh's decision about the Arkansas prisoner who was executed was wrong but the same issue with the Texas prisoner (religion cases) was good. Of course, there were different issues that determined each case.

 

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"Obama was helped by a $trillion stimulus"

Yes, a stimulus that merit-less Conservatives said would have the opposite effect.

They were wrong.

So since they were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about?

 

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Your statement that conservatives said the stimulus would not work is irrelevant to my statement.

Your statement is within the context of the debate over the merits of Conservative economics.

You keep trying to distract and deflect from that, and it's obvious why.

 

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I don't care what conservatives say and it was just a deflection (bad faith) on your part to bring up a straw man argument.

Ahem...

Your response that I quoted was in response to a post of mine where we discussed the merits of Conservative economics.

You're betraying the thread here, not me.

 

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"Trump by the tax cuts but those are temporary"?

The Russia Tax Cut didn't boost the economy.

Economic growth for 2018 was below that of 2015.

And in 2015, more jobs were created and the deficit was reduced.

So you start out with a false premise.

We can't move the debate further until you reconcile that.

 

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Unemployment continued to decline

Which was a trend that had started 9 years ago for which Conservatives get no credit.

more jobs exist than the number of unemployed people

Ehhh, not really. The jobs are open because there aren't enough qualified people to fill them.

So...perhaps instead of cutting $1.5T in taxes for the rich, we use that money to fund job and education training so people can fill those roles? I know, it's radical to think that.

and the stock market has made big gains

Since the start of the Russia Tax Cut, the market is only up 4%.

We have had 15 months of the Russia Tax Cut and it has only grown the market by a paltry 1100 points.

 

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If you say Trump had nothing to do with those things you are agreeing with my statement that presidents are not responsible for a good or bad economy unless they take stupid steps.

No, Trump is just riding Obama's coattails, but those coattails are not that long and now we're seeing how terrible Trump and Conservative economics are:

Say It One More Time: The Economy Is Slowing
The Federal Reserve and the National Association for Business Economics have both recently lowered their forecasts for growth in 2019 to 2.1 percent.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/28/70756...omy-is-slowing

The US economy is coming down from a sugar high. How bad will the headache be?
Revisions to fourth-quarter GDP announced today show the US economy grew by only 2.2% in the quarter, down from the previous estimate of 2.6%. That revision pulled down the year-over-year rate, too. It now turns out that the US economy expanded only 2.9% in 2018.
That’s still its fastest pace since 2015, but not quite as awesome as the president proclaimed.
https://qz.com/1583024/us-gdp-growth...igh-wears-off/

To claim a good economy is always due to raising taxes and increasing spending is contrary to every sane economist.

You're not an economist.

You don't have the education to make this statement.

You don't even have empirical evidence to support this statement.

I do, however.

Nothing in our economy happens by magic or "just because".

 

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And that is a credible statement

Trump said it.