Obama Is A Muslim

[Damocles]

Islam teaches violent jihad, It's true. It's not a stereotype. Some Muslims don't go all the way. That is true too.



Is God's Chosen People a racist concept damo?

The stereotype is when you pretend that all of them are for it, when clear evidence shows that it isn't the case. More stereotype enters when you pretend that all Jews believe in this noahide nonsense when clear evidence shows that almost none of them do.

It is ethnic as well as a religious belief, as I have stated before. The actual books that they teach from say it. The same book that you pretend to believe tells you such, but you just reject those portions. I can understand and respect that, just as i can understand and respect people who don't reject those portions.

I don't believe in any of those books, but I certainly can understand each of those views and respect all of them.

 

[Bai Lan]

The stereotype is when you pretend that all of them are for it, when clear evidence shows that it isn't the case. More stereotype enters when you pretend that all Jews believe in this noahide nonsense when clear evidence shows that almost none of them do.

It is ethnic as well as a religious belief, as I have stated before. The actual books that they teach from say it. The same book that you pretend to believe tells you such, but you just reject those portions. I can understand and respect that, just as i can understand and respect people who don't reject those portions.

I don't believe in any of those books, but I certainly can understand each of those views and respect all of them.

That's the difference between you and me, you respect racist texts, I don't. Good for you and your support for any bad idea that's just really old.

 

[Damocles]

That's the difference between you and me, you respect racist texts, I don't. Good for you and your support for any bad idea that's just really old.

The difference between you and I is that I respect others' religions while you take what you think is the worst part and project it on every person in the religion and expect others to show disdain with you while taking that same jaundiced view.

I only seek to open your eyes to the vast majority of each of the religions you speak of here, who teach nothing of the sort. It is hard to get you to look past fear, but I hope I will be successful one day.

We agree on the following:

1. Blowing up innocents for God is bad.

2. Attempting to enslave others because of a perceived superiority from God is bad.



I don't believe and we disagree on the following:

..1. All muslims teach that they should do the above.

..2. All jews believe that the rest of the world should be their slaves because they should follow some noahide code.

 

[Bai Lan]

The difference between you and I is that I respect others' religions while you take what you think is the worst part and project it on every person in the religion and expect others to show disdain with you while taking that same jaundiced view.

Inaccurate. I don't respect racism or theocracy, just because it's in some old book.

I only seek to open your eyes to the vast majority of each of the religions you speak of here, who teach nothing of the sort.

And I seek to open your eyes to liars trying to lower your guard about islam so our society can be infiltrated by jihadis under the banner of religious tolerance.

It is hard to get you to look past fear, but I hope I will be successful one day.

Identifying racist and theocratic teachings is not FEAR.

We agree on the following:

1. Blowing up innocents for God is bad.

2. Attempting to enslave others because of a perceived superiority from God is bad.



I don't believe and we disagree on the following:

..1. All muslims are bad because some do the above.

..2. All jews believe that the rest of the world should be their slaves because they should follow some noahide code.

I don't believe those either. Some are ignorant of their religious teachings.

 

[Bai Lan]

lol.

Damo had to jump in and help Jarod lose.

 

[Damocles]

lol.

Damo had to jump in and help Jarod lose.

You are still attempting to change the premise of your argument and fallaciously arguing ad hominems that have nothing to do with your original argument.

That is total defeat handed to you on a platter with a bunch of attempted fallacy to save face.

It is inconvenient that some people actually do learn things about other religions, while you continue to attempt to present fear and ignorance, but it is reality that your suggestion that all of them teach terrorism as a means of conversion is simply a falsehood, promoted by the ignorant, and presented as a means to attempt to spread fear.

The terrorists have succeeded among people who promote such fear.

 

[Bai Lan]

You are still attempting to change the premise of your argument and fallaciously arguing ad hominems that have nothing to do with your original argument.

That is total defeat handed to you on a platter with a bunch of attempted fallacy to save face.

It is inconvenient that some people actually do learn things about other religions, while you continue to attempt to present fear and ignorance.

My argument is that Islam teaches violence, textually, like, officially and stuff. Because some ignore it or don't actively act doesn't mean the religion isn't an obnoxious and hateful IDEOLOGY, because it is. That's my argument.

 

[Damocles]

My argument is that Islam teaches violence, textually, like, officially and stuff. Because some ignore it or don't actively act doesn't mean the religion isn't an obnoxious and hateful IDEOLOGY, because it is. That's my argument.

Again, no more than defense for the vast majority of Muslims.

Your attempt to make Jihad mean conversion by force is fallacy, and inaccurate. Even the fourth definition of Jihad does not teach that it is how to convert people, it teaches that it serves God to defend Islam through warfare.

Some small number of people are misled into a mockery of the religion. And some others are led to fear all of the religion by such tactics.

The fear is in you, let is pass through you, let your mind rather than your fear begin to serve you. Learn something other than to fear.

You fear so much..

 

[Bai Lan]

Again, no more than defense for the vast majority of Muslims.

What is a defense for the vast majority of muslim?

Your attempt to make Jihad mean conversion by force is fallacy, and inaccurate. Even the fourth definition of Jihad does not teach that it is how to convert people, it teaches that it serves God to defend Islam through warfare.

Some small number of people are misled into a mockery of the religion. And some others are led to fear all of the religion by such tactics.

The fear is in you, let is pass through you.

Jihad is the ongoing war between Islam and non islamic people. It's not a mockery of the religion to discuss it's actual tenets.

 

[Damocles]

What is a defense for the vast majority of muslim?


Jihad is the ongoing war between Islam and non islamic people. It's not a mockery of the religion to discuss it's actual tenets.

It isn't.

Jihad is far more often the first three of the definitions. And in the fourth it

You fear so much to learn you didn't even read....

That is sad. Very much so.

Then to pretend to knowledge you clearly do not have and have already been shown to be wrong about is sadder still.

Read the Wiki article I linked to, it will help to enlighten you and stop your fearful fallacies.

 

[Bai Lan]

some terms to google, for those intersted in Islam and it's teachings, instead of the insane masonic psychobabble of misinformation and misapplied tolerance.

c) Dar al-Islam and dar al-harb: the House of Islam and the House of War

i) Taqiyya -- Religious Deception

 

[Bai Lan]

It isn't.

Jihad is far more often the first three of the definitions. And in the fourth it

You fear so much to learn you didn't even read....

That is sad. Very much so.

Then to pretend to knowledge you clearly do not have and have already been shown to be wrong about is sadder still.

Read the Wiki article I linked to, it will help to enlighten you and stop your fearful fallacies.

You're sad, you pathetic dissembler. It's the fourth definition so often that all sects have terrorists. Or maybe you can name one that doesn't? That only teaches the "first three"?

 

[Damocles]

Here. A different one:

http://islambyquestions.net/jihad/meaning.htm

What is the meaning of Jihad?

Literally, jihad means doing one’s utmost to realize a goal. It is not the equivalent of war, for which Arabic and the Qur’an use qital. Jihad has a wider connotation and embraces every kind of striving in God’s cause. A mujahid is devoted to his or her cause; uses all physical, intellectual, and spiritual capacities to serve it.

Jihad’s related principle, that of amr bi al-ma‘ruf wa nahy ‘an al-munkar (enjoining good and forbidding evil), seeks to convey the benefits of Islam to everyone and to convince them to abandon all of their evil practices. The Qur’an calls Muslims the model community, one required to communicate the Prophet’s message to humanity and to live Islam, just as the Prophet did: Thus, We have made you a community justly balanced, that you might be witnesses for all humanity, and the Messenger may be a witness for you (2:143).

Note the decided teaching that Jihad is not equal to "War" or "holy war"... It is larger than your minimalist definition that presents it as what we must "fear".

We can fight terrorism without fearing Muslims.

 

[Damocles]

You're sad, you pathetic dissembler. It's the fourth definition so often that all sects have terrorists. Or maybe you can name one that doesn't? That only teaches the "first three"?

It's like you didn't read the article! Oh shocker. You fear knowledge. I understand.

 

[Bai Lan]

It's like you didn't read the article! Oh shocker. You fear knowledge. I understand.

Good one. You suck at arguing.

 

[Bai Lan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya
The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury." A one-word translation would be "Dissimulation." [4]

Used in a sentence:

Damocles the mason is helping Muslims practice taquiyaa, to help achieve the new global theocracy.

 

[Damocles]

Good one. You suck at arguing.

More ad hominem... Truly sad.

I suggest you read information given in the thread, you attempt more fallacy to cover ignorance thus attempting to both cover your lack of knowledge and save face.

This has been one of the easiest arguments I have ever gained victory in. And that's saying much when you have argued with the likes of Lolita715....

 

[Bai Lan]

More ad hominem... Truly sad.

I suggest you read information given in the thread, you attempt more fallacy to cover ignorance thus attempting to both cover your lack of knowledge and save face.

This has been one of the easiest arguments I have ever gained victory in. And that's saying much when you have argued with the likes of Lolita715....

It's a factual assessment of your performance.

You might want to try removing your head from your rectum, re: jihad.

stop practicing taquiyaa for the muslims. Let them tell their own lies, mason.

 

[Jarod]

AHZ, I was not anywhere as elequent or knoledgable as Damo on this... I though I was winning the debate... But DAMO has shut you down!

I LOVE IT!

 

[Damocles]

It's a factual assessment of your performance.

You might want to try removing your head from your rectum, re: jihad.

stop practicing taquiyaa for the muslims. Let them tell their own lies, mason.

LOL.

The "rubber/glue" defense?!! I haven't heard this since I was 7 or so, at least not in any serious context!

I mean, earlier in the thread I point out how your attempt to spread the fear the terrorists want to spread helps them and covers most muslim's real beliefs in fallacy and misdirection, then you wait a few posts and attempt to say the same thing!

You really are the easiest victory that has ever been my pleasure to meet....

Thanks! You made me laugh and remember arguments with my sister when I was in first grade at the same time!

Take pride in ignorance, you are very good at it!