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iolo said:
It's called democracy. You won't have come across it.
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So, you don't want to get rid of "classes", ... you want CEOs and managers but you think they should be elected ... because "politicians" are Angels. :palm:
 
iolo said:
No Mussolini was bought, as have been many under capitalism. Fortunately the thieves can't afford to buy us all - only LEADERS!
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So Socialist and Marxist leaders can be bought. I think you're finally getting it.

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Bigdog said:
So Socialist and Marxist leaders can be bought. I think your finally getting it.

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About fifty-per cent of all 'leaders' can be bought, obviously. Why else do we have capitalism, and therefore believe we need fuhrers? You should find a decent Union, and join it to find out how these things are done.
 
iolo said:
About fifty-per cent of all 'leaders' can be bought, obviously. Why else do we have capitalism, and therefore believe we need fuhrers? You should find a decent Union, and join it to find out how these things are done.
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You pulled that number out of your ass. It stinks like shit. And Unions are well-known for their wide spread corruption.

In the 30's, the Great Depression was cited as proof that capitalism was a failure. And Hitler was hailed as the great socialist that saved the people from capitalism.
 
Bigdog said:
You pulled that number out of your ass. It stinks like shit. And Unions are well-known for their wide spread corruption.

In the 30's, the Great Depression was cited as proof that capitalism was a failure. And Hitler was hailed as the great socialist that saved the people from capitalism.
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Hitler was NOT hailed as a great socialist by anyone. He was the great defender of capitalism, financed by German Big Business, as well you know, and opposed by all socialists, whom he murdered in vast numbers for his masters. Capitlism was obviously a failure, which is why he had to pretend (totally unconvincingly) to be a socialist, as you know. Unions are corrupt where union-busting and bribery are customary, I suppose - I wouldn't know.
 
iolo said:
Hitler was NOT hailed as a great socialist by anyone. He was the great defender of capitalism, financed by German Big Business, as well you know, and opposed by all socialists, whom he murdered in vast numbers for his masters. Capitlism was obviously a failure, which is why he had to pretend (totally unconvincingly) to be a socialist, as you know. Unions are corrupt where union-busting and bribery are customary, I suppose - I wouldn't know.
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Hitler controlled the corporate leaders, dictated what was to be produced, what prices would be, what workers pay and work conditions would be, and abolished employer right to fire employees.

The first Union in the U.S. was in California. It was created to bar Asians from taking jobs from Whites. That racist intent continued until Nixon passed AA to stop the gov't democrat unions from discriminating against minorities.

Union employees beat the shit out of the unemployed who were willing to work for less. So factories moved overseas where unionists could not beat the shit out of people who wanted to work.
 
Bigdog said:
Without chiefs, you have anarchy. There has never been a great anarchist society.
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With working-class revolution you have neither chiefs nor (in your sense) anarchy, though of course we'll no longer need governments. So far your blackshirts have been able to murder the activists, particularly any 'leaders', before we could get on with it, but unless you burn the world first, it can't but happen. Watch this space! :)
 
iolo said:
With working-class revolution you have neither chiefs nor (in your sense) anarchy, though of course we'll no longer need governments. So far your blackshirts have been able to murder the activists, particularly any 'leaders', before we could get on with it, but unless you burn the world first, it can't but happen. Watch this space! :)
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A leader is a chief. :palm:

"Burn the world first", ...the political doctrine of "Socialist revolutionaries". :palm:

Castro promised the people the "statelessness of communism", ... but once given power, ... only delivered the Authoritarianism of Socialism.
 
Bigdog said:
A leader is a chief. :palm:

"Burn the world first", ...the political doctrine of "Socialist revolutionaries". :palm:

Castro promised the people the "statelessness of communism", ... but once given power, ... only delivered the Authoritarianism of Socialism.
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Sorry - what point are you making? Since socialism is nowhere in power and you are burning the world anyway, I can't see what you can mean. And what on earth has it to do with President Castro, the Pope, or the nearest elephant?
 
Bigdog said:
A leader is a chief. :palm:

"Burn the world first", ...the political doctrine of "Socialist revolutionaries". :palm:

Castro promised the people the "statelessness of communism", ... but once given power, ... only delivered the Authoritarianism of Socialism.
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... and he advanced Cuba farther than it's ever been.

Today Cubans have a longer life expectancy then you do.
 
Bigdog said:
Hitler controlled the corporate leaders, dictated what was to be produced, what prices would be, what workers pay and work conditions would be, and abolished employer right to fire employees.

The first Union in the U.S. was in California. It was created to bar Asians from taking jobs from Whites. That racist intent continued until Nixon passed AA to stop the gov't democrat unions from discriminating against minorities.

Union employees beat the shit out of the unemployed who were willing to work for less. So factories moved overseas where unionists could not beat the shit out of people who wanted to work.
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To Bigdog: Please see this thread for a broader look at labor unions:
 
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