Put families on the street or raise taxes on the rich.

[montgomery]

With the right going after every safety net from SS ,medicare, Medicaid ,food support ,housing support, disability , generally all of this countries safety nets . Should the right get what they want or should we raise taxes on the wealthy. To take care of it. You won't get far here with everyone's a cheat routine, without credible sources supporting that scenario.

Great thread idea! It gets right to the point of asking the important question directly. After two years the results of Trump's corporate ideology can't be hidden much longer. The Trump cause are yielding the effects!

What was the poverty rate in the US before Trump even started?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate

And for the contrast:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=worl...69i60l2j0l3.9827j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[jbander]

Short term capital gains are taxed as ordinary income as well as most dividends. In Addition, the current long term steps disproportionately benefit the working class, so treating long term gains as ordinary income discourages investment and upward mobility at the end of the spectrum you profess to want to help. The Trump tax reform extended carried interest special treatment from 1 to 3 years which dabbles at making venture capitalists pay more realistic taxes. There are ways to get at increasing revenue/taxes and bring some of the most egregious tax avoiders into regular income rates without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Lets bring this back to reality , I'm not talking about the president , I'm talking about income from capital gains being set at 15% instead of the percentage for normal income. How specialized is this tax break, well more then half of this cap gains tax cut of15% goes to 1/10 of 1% of the population.

 

[jbander]

People who think the wealthy are going to stand by and let you confiscate their wealth are STUPID

Leftists are so dumb that they actually believe Warren Buffett when he SAYS he thinks he should pay more taxes.

Yet they ignore the fact that he uses every legal means to shield himself from as many taxes as possible

Leftists are so fucking stupid, gullible and naive

They should all be exterminated right after the muslimes

Confiscate , that's 100lb of bullshit , so tell me how any country can get along without taxes . So your saying that we can't tax or that the country is stealing from people when they set a tax rate. You people are like a cartoon. Warren Buffet , what a fricken hoot. Who is stupid, gullible and naive. What a hoot , the make believe world of ding dongville

 

[jbander]

Could cap the amount of gains eligible for special treatment. Could force employers to create portable investment accounts as part of payroll. The justification for the special treatment of long term gains is that the money is often already taxed and it is being retaxed without indexing for inflation. Eliminate them and you will see growing demands for eliminating the corporate taxes on dividends.

None of the cap gains has been pretax ed only the investment amount. Indexing for inflation is simply part of the investment strategy and in no way should be used to lower tax rates on any investment.

 

[Irish Exit]

Lets bring this back to reality , I'm not talking about the president , I'm talking about income from capital gains being set at 15% instead of the percentage for normal income. How specialized is this tax break, well more then half of this cap gains tax cut of15% goes to 1/10 of 1% of the population.

And all of the earned income tax benefits go to the poor. Neither end of the spectrum is a meaningful concern to me. Treating long term gains as ordinary income will be very bad for a lot of middle class people, as well as some poor people. You are not interested in helping people. All you are interested in is punishing successful people and families. A uniform flat tax rate applying to all income, rich or poor, would be the only system that would meet an equitable standard and I am sure you would oppose that too because it doesn't punish success.

 

[jbander]

Could cap the amount of gains eligible for special treatment. Could force employers to create portable investment accounts as part of payroll. The justification for the special treatment of long term gains is that the money is often already taxed and it is being retaxed without indexing for inflation. Eliminate them and you will see growing demands for eliminating the corporate taxes on dividends.

It all should be income but setting a max would be acceptable if I can set the Max amount. Just joking , it has to be set low .

 

[jbander]

And all of the earned income tax benefits go to the poor. Neither end of the spectrum is a meaningful concern to me. Treating long term gains as ordinary income will be very bad for a lot of middle class people, as well as some poor people. You are not interested in helping people. All you are interested in is punishing successful people and families. A uniform flat tax rate applying to all income, rich or poor, would be the only system that would meet an equitable standard and I am sure you would oppose that too because it doesn't punish success.

Bullshit it's income don't you get it. There is nothing special about it , it and transfer of wealth at death are the two biggest want's from the wealthy. I'll try this again , who is this tax break for if more then half the benefits goes to 1/10 of 1% of the people in this country.

 

[jbander]

And all of the earned income tax benefits go to the poor. Neither end of the spectrum is a meaningful concern to me. Treating long term gains as ordinary income will be very bad for a lot of middle class people, as well as some poor people. You are not interested in helping people. All you are interested in is punishing successful people and families. A uniform flat tax rate applying to all income, rich or poor, would be the only system that would meet an equitable standard and I am sure you would oppose that too because it doesn't punish success.

Flat tax , what a hoot , there is only one group that would benefit from a flat tax.You know how ridiculous your comment is , saying that taxes are only punishing successful people , are you people all grade school children, tell us great thinker how would a country operate without taxes.

 

[jbander]

Get this straight all you right wing wanks that are spitting out the party line about taxing being bad , are wrong. These companies use this countries infrastructure and this countries markets to become wealthy as do the people who become wealthy, they owe this country big time. They have to pay, and I mean more, not less.

 

[Lightbringer]

Get this straight all you right wing wanks that are spitting out the party line about taxing being bad , are wrong. These companies use this countries infrastructure and this countries markets to become wealthy as do the people who become wealthy, they owe this country big time. They have to pay, and I mean more, not less.

Who here has said taxes are bad? We have to have them. The problem here is that you seem to want to bundle class warfare with tax policy. Alright, whatever, you're not the first to do that but I for one am wondering if you're making a policy argument or a social argument.

 

[jbander]

The only way that a very small group of people can get all the massive profits of this country for 45 years as is the case in this country is done with tax law, tax rates. No one deserves it all and somehow the right thinks they should.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Confiscate , that's 100lb of bullshit , so tell me how any country can get along without taxes . So your saying that we can't tax or that the country is stealing from people when they set a tax rate. You people are like a cartoon. Warren Buffet , what a fricken hoot. Who is stupid, gullible and naive. What a hoot , the make believe world of ding dongville

I never said what you claim I am saying. The government does have the right to tax EVERY citizen for those things that are for "THE COMMON GOOD". Feeding you and paying for your healthcare as much as you may think is not part of the common good. I don't give a flying fuck if you eat, don't eat or get healthcare. If I care about you I will help you.

When the gobblement takes money from those that achieve to give to those that do not, that is confiscation.

Paying for roads and bridges? That is not confiscation.

Personally, I would scrap the income tax and institute an across the board national sales tax excluding food and clothes. Everyone should pay. Period

 

[Fentoine Lum]

With the right going after every safety net from SS ,medicare, Medicaid ,food support ,housing support, disability , generally all of this countries safety nets . Should the right get what they want or should we raise taxes on the wealthy. To take care of it. You won't get far here with everyone's a cheat routine, without credible sources supporting that scenario.

You know how it is in america, fuck the people.

 

[tff]

Leftists are so fucking stupid, gullible and naive

They should all be exterminated right after the muslimes

At least we're not pretentious. Like those people who are make less than average and consider themselves to be big earners? Those who are mad as hell because they have to pay $4,000 a year in federal income tax, and believe a flat tax is the solution to their problem? Continue on with your false assumption of excellence.

 

[jbander]

I never said what you claim I am saying. The government does have the right to tax EVERY citizen for those things that are for "THE COMMON GOOD". Feeding you and paying for your healthcare as much as you may think is not part of the common good. I don't give a flying fuck if you eat, don't eat or get healthcare. If I care about you I will help you.

When the gobblement takes money from those that achieve to give to those that do not, that is confiscation.

Paying for roads and bridges? That is not confiscation.

Personally, I would scrap the income tax and institute an across the board national sales tax excluding food and clothes. Everyone should pay. Period

I have a little secret no one cares what your opinion is on this , we realize it's just the normal hatred that is found in just about every one of your ilk. Your so proud of the fact that you just spit on the poor, and your hate and disregard of others is again normal from you haters but you don't count because for every one of you people who spit on the poor there's 10 of us that except our responsibility to take care of out fellow Americans in need. . you pukes are what this country has to dump. As a country we support our Christians values that tells us over 300 times in the bible that its our responsibility to take care of the needy . So I do understand then that your not a Christian or your a fake Christian. Your hate may because you believe in nothing but yourself.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I have a little secret no one cares what your opinion is on this , we realize it's just the normal hatred that is found in just about every one of your ilk. Your so proud of the fact that you just spit on the poor, and your hate and disregard of others is again normal from you haters but you don't count because for every one of you people who spit on the poor there's 10 of us that except our responsibility to take care of out fellow Americans in need. . you pukes are what this country has to dump. As a country we support our Christians values that tells us over 300 times in the bible that its our responsibility to take care of the needy . So I do understand then that your not a Christian or your a fake Christian. Your hate may because you believe in nothing but yourself.

If the numbers are 10 to 1, as you have suggested; then why aren't the 10 making any progress

 

[jbander]

How do they get these zombies to jump and think the way they are told. They hate the poor and think they are guilty of something. they are apposed to taxes like there is some place in the world that doesn't need money to operate. These people are so driven by their hate that the right knows they are nothing but zombies and believe and think the way they are told to, totally against their best interest and they don't care because it feed the hate that drives them.

 

[jbander]

If the numbers are 10 to 1, as you have suggested; then why aren't the 10 making any progress

We are doing just dandy we just got rid of some of the hatred by taking over the house and we are waiting for the shoe to drop on President scum bag. Hell all is good, all is going in the right direction and you get to sit in the corner with your hate.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

We are doing just dandy we just got rid of some of the hatred by taking over the house and we are waiting for the shoe to drop on President scum bag. Hell all is good, all is going in the right direction and you get to sit in the corner with your hate.

How has that affected or improved the lot of the poor??

 

[countryboy]

According to supplyside economics, Reaganomics, or trickle down economics, tax decreases are the answer. You should try to develop your argument. There are lots of us who can have some fun with it! You really are a stupid fukking wanker aren't you!

Can you point to a single instance where tax cuts didn't correspond with increased revenue?