‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

Sir Isaac Newton thought he'd defined physics fairly well. His 3 laws of motion are about the most recent laws I know of.
Newton created only one law of motion and only one theory of motion. That law is F=mA.
Then Einstein came along and blue Newton's doors in.
Einstein didn't falsify any of Newton's theories. We still use Newton's theories to this day.
 
I'd like to think that we can all agree that...

...everything I have said in this thread is absolutely correct...

...and anything anyone else has said that disagrees with what I have said...is wrong.
 
For people who don't give a fuck, you all certainly spend a hell of a lot of time telling us about why we are going to end up there...and the amount of joy that will give you because we dared not believe in your fairy tale and your chosen god hates not being believed in. :thinking:
 
For people who don't give a fuck, you all certainly spend a hell of a lot of time telling us about why we are going to end up there...and the amount of joy that will give you because we dared not believe in your fairy tale and your chosen god hates not being believed in. :thinking:
It's fine if you don't believe any more.... but you sure spend a great deal of time berating those who do...
 
You obviously haven't been paying attention to this thread, or even your own argument.

I have already listed evidence for both cases. Argument of the stone fallacy.

Void argument fallacy.

Argument of ignorance fallacy.

Argument of ignorance fallacy.

Science doesn't address the issue. Science is agnostic.

There is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence. There is only evidence. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of any god or gods.

This whole thread could be synopsized in the last sentence lol.
 
To finish the sentence, it would be, "Oh God, how can this be happening if you are real?"

That's basically the biggest reason people give up believing in dragons. They have an angelic five year old who gets raped and murdered and all the priest can say is, "Er... the Dragon works in mysterious ways..."

You sir have the ramblings of a diseased mind.
 
"Newton created only one law of motion and only one theory of motion. That law is F=mA." IN #621
Sir Isaac's 3 laws of motion are:

1st Law of Motion: If the vector sum of the forces acting on an object is zero, then the velocity change of the object will remain zero (leaving it at rest if it is at rest, and leaving it at its velocity if it is not).

2nd Law of Motion: F=M A
The total force acting on an object is equal to the object's acceleration times its mass. A net force on an object will accelerate that object at a rate proportional to the strength of and in the same direction as that force. Thus, if a force acts on two objects of different mass, the one with a larger mass will have a lower acceleration. In the international system of units, the unit of force is the newton, which is the amount of force that gives an object with a mass of 1 kg an acceleration of 1 m/sec2.

3rd Law of Motion: Every action has an opposite and equal reaction, conserving both linear and angular momentum.

"Einstein didn't falsify any of Newton's theories." IN #621
I didn't assert "falsification".
My wording was deliberately more subtle: "Then Einstein came along and blue Newton's doors in." Please note the deliberately whimsical mis-spelling of the word blew to emphasize the point.
"We still use Newton's theories to this day." IN #621
I know. I took the course at university. BUT !! In astrophysics we use Newton's laws of motion sparingly, as their precision diverges at great speed or powerful gravity, as both "slow down time", relativistically speaking.

Bottom line, many persons imagine there's a set of laws science understands, that govern our cosmos.

That's wrong.

Nuclear physics operates by rules that don't apply in Newton's world, or Einstein's for that matter.

So we know there are at least 3 different sets of rules. But there are still observed phenomena our 3 rule books can't account for. The accelerating expansion of our cosmos is near the top of that list.
 
Sir Isaac's 3 laws of motion are:

1st Law of Motion: If the vector sum of the forces acting on an object is zero, then the velocity change of the object will remain zero (leaving it at rest if it is at rest, and leaving it at its velocity if it is not).

Due to F=mA.

2nd Law of Motion: F=M A
The total force acting on an object is equal to the object's acceleration times its mass. A net force on an object will accelerate that object at a rate proportional to the strength of and in the same direction as that force. Thus, if a force acts on two objects of different mass, the one with a larger mass will have a lower acceleration. In the international system of units, the unit of force is the newton, which is the amount of force that gives an object with a mass of 1 kg an acceleration of 1 m/sec2.

3rd Law of Motion: Every action has an opposite and equal reaction, conserving both linear and angular momentum.
Do to F=mA.
I didn't assert "falsification".
Yes you did.
My wording was deliberately more subtle: "Then Einstein came along and blue Newton's doors in." Please note the deliberately whimsical mis-spelling of the word blew to emphasize the point.

I know. I took the course at university. BUT !! In astrophysics we use Newton's laws of motion sparingly, as their precision diverges at great speed or powerful gravity, as both "slow down time", relativistically speaking.
Newton's and Keplers laws describe the movement of every planet accurately.
Bottom line, many persons imagine there's a set of laws science understands, that govern our cosmos.

That's wrong.
Because it's a void argument.
Nuclear physics operates by rules that don't apply in Newton's world, or Einstein's for that matter.
It applies to both.
So we know there are at least 3 different sets of rules. But there are still observed phenomena our 3 rule books can't account for.
A theory isn't a 'rule'. It is a theory.
The accelerating expansion of our cosmos is near the top of that list.
You have no idea what the cosmos is doing. You only see the little bit that you see.
 
Newton didn't create anything.......he merely noticed it......

He created two theories: The Theory of Universal Gravitation, and the Theory of Motion. He formalized both theories into mathematical form. We still use those theories and laws today.

Newton also did something that no other scientist had done. He focused science on the study of what mass was, what acceleration was, and what 'force' was. Much of the research in science has been in those areas since.
 
"Newton didn't create anything.......he merely noticed it...... " PP
Sir Isaac was born centuries before precision digital chronometers. So Newton's physics lab needed some other way to conduct is falling body experiments, with a time meter no more sophisticated than a pendulum.
So how did Newton, perhaps the greatest scientist in history solve this problem? He weakened gravity, or at least modified the force vector (measured in "Newtons").

I've read accounts of Einstein UNDERSTANDING his concepts, but not mastering the math until later. In contrast Newton not only knew calculus. Newton invented it.

IN #631

You're in a very familiar mode here. I read you like a dime novel.
You're promoting your own delusion that you're superior to me, by telling me information I mastered in the previous millennium. Get over yourself.

On your feeble quibble over the number of Newton's laws, there's more than one way to teach it.
But I'm both a traditionalist, and a conservative. I have no problem adhering to the standards by which I've been taught for over half a century.
Let us begin our explanation of how Newton changed our understanding of the Universe by enumerating his Three Laws of Motion.

http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~blackman/ast104/newton3laws16.html
"his Three Laws of Motion."

I'll not dispute or even debate the hair-splitting point you're trying to make. Whatever you do with it you'll do without me. Your disagreement isn't with me. It's with the numerous authoritative sources such as the one I've quoted above.
The accelerating expansion of our cosmos is near the top of that list.

"You have no idea what the cosmos is doing. You only see the little bit that you see." IN #631
Unlike you?

Change your multiple "you" to "we", have your secretary type it up, and have it on my desk by morning, and I'll sign it. But your insinuation that your information is better than mine, or that you're superior to me in some substantial way on this issue is laughable, unless you're an astronomer, or astrophysicist. And I deduce that you are not.

So what do you plan to be for Halloween IN? Yourself? That'll scare the $#@! out of the children!
 
This whole thread could be synopsized in the last sentence lol.

Any time anyone starts spouting "science" as absolute, I like thinking of the Bumble Bee; because "science" can be used to show that a Bumble Bee is not capable of flight, something to do with size and wings, but the Bumble Bee doesn't care about that and just keeps flying. :D
 
"Any time anyone starts spouting "science" as absolute" U9 #634
Science as a result may not be absolute. But as a methodology it's on fairly solid footing.
What humanity has achieved with science is impressive; even if it's merely a reflection of more detailed understanding of our natural world.
"there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." St. Luke 12:2
U9 adds:
"I like thinking of the Bumble Bee; because "science" can be used to show that a Bumble Bee is not capable of flight, something to do with size and wings, but the Bumble Bee doesn't care about that and just keeps flying." U9
I recognize the reference.
In the '50's some said -science says bumblebees can't fly-
That's false.

This isn't the failing of science. It's the failing of accurate reporting.
I gather the correct assessment is bumblebees can't glide very well.
But the dispute seems to have factored out the energy input from the bee.

FYI bumblebees do fly.
"shame we didn't have gravity before Newton.....I like his fig cookies though...." PP #635
Mmmmm
 
You obviously haven't been paying attention to this thread, or even your own argument.

I have already listed evidence for both cases. Argument of the stone fallacy.

Void argument fallacy.

Argument of ignorance fallacy.

Argument of ignorance fallacy.

Science doesn't address the issue. Science is agnostic.

There is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence. There is only evidence. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of any god or gods.

Jane, you ignorant slut. Vomit your meritless and disassociated criticisms elsewhere, not within my perfect exposition of knowledge.
You wouldn't scribble on the Mona Lisa, would you?
 
For people who don't give a fuck, you all certainly spend a hell of a lot of time telling us about why we are going to end up there...and the amount of joy that will give you because we dared not believe in your fairy tale and your chosen god hates not being believed in. :thinking:

I knew a libertarian on another board who was forever blabbering about 'force' and 'harm'.

"As long as someone's actions don't harm me, I see no reason to use force to stop him from doing whatever he likes..."

He was also a religious churchgoer. I'd point out that he worshipped a God who would burn me in hell forever if I chose not to believe in Him. His answer? He'd whine about how low I had sunk in using that argument. I thought it was a good example of his glaring hypocrisy.

The other point about him was that he couldn't wrap his mind around how others can harm indirectly. For instance, he believed that a pilot who served his time for crashing a plane while drunk and killing 400 passengers, should be allowed to fly people again after he served his sentence...

Duhh....
 
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