A point about Elizabeth Warren's Native American Ancestry

Kacper said:
Except she has made this claim in applying for law school, applying for teaching jobs, and even in a cookbook. She claimed to be Cherokee and the DNA test doesn't show that she is a descendant of the Dawes Roll folks.
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Nope, not true. She has Indian heritage as the DNA showed. But all concerned say the Indian stuff never figured in their hiring her. She is a highly qualified person and heavily experienced.
 
Nordberg said:
Nope. She proved an indian heritage. She never claimed to be 100 percent Indian. Trump is as much of a weasel as you are, so he will not pay a dime. You will still pretend she did not prove it. Neither of you can admit when you are proven wrong.
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Everybody, including Trump, knows she did not claim to be full-blooded native American. That angle isn't even on the table.

The issue always was if she had Indian heritage.

Warren said she was told by family that her great-great-great-grandmother was native American.

By the standards of modern science, that claim has been shown to be true.

The DNA tests support her claim, and prove she was not lying.


The only one lying now is Trump - who is claiming he never offered one million bucks and is welching on his bet.
 
Oneuli said:
What do you count as conception? If it's fertilization of the egg, then whether that's the start of one or multiple human organisms isn't determined until later (i.e., it can still split into twins). And most of the time it will result in nothing more than a fertilized egg, since about half the time the fertilized egg never successfully implants and develops.
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At conception DNA is passed, whether it turns into two or not, matters not, the DNA will determine that! It will always be a human being!
 
Cypress said:
How hard would it be for a normal person to just laugh, and say "You know what Elizabeth, I would be happy to donate to the charity of your choice."

That is what a person of character and class would do.

I can scarcely believe that a grown man would turn this into some kind contest for domination, not to mention welch on a bet. I mean, I know teenagers that are not as petulant and childish as Trump
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Because her Charity is the DNC war chest, and that is where it would be funneled.
 
Wolverine said:
At conception DNA is passed, whether it turns into two or not, matters not, the DNA will determine that! It will always be a human being!
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Every single time a cell is created in your body DNA is passed. That doesn't make it a human being. It makes it a human cell.
 
Nordberg said:
Why did you? When will you admit she proved her Indian heritage?
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When she does. She didn’t.

At best she proved that maybe there was a Mexican somewhere down the line.

She proved she is European. Is she not proud of her European heritage?

But why did she do it when she flat out said she wouldn’t?

Does she score more points with you? Does this make her your number 1 for 2020?
 
Native Americans soundly reject any claim she has to actual Native ancestry. Her doubling down with this DNA test is having the opposite effect then she may wish for. She doesn't have enough drops to get her anywhere near the federal registry. This makes any claim she has supercilious and ridiculous!
 
Oneuli said:
Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test strongly suggesting she has Native American ancestry. This is a fun story because it puts Trump in a position where he'll want to lie and claim he never promised a million dollars to charity if she did so. Watching that weasel squirm is a joy. But the test itself shouldn't matter.

Think about it. What was the knock on Warren? It was that she made up Native American ancestry. Whether or not she actually has Native American ancestry is entirely beside the point. What was relevant is whether she had reason to think she had Native American ancestry when she claimed it. If she had good cause to think it (e.g., plausible family oral history) and it turned out not to be true, that's not her fault. And if she didn't have good cause to think it, but it randomly turned out to be true, that doesn't relieve her of the charge of fabrication.

For example, what if I told you I have 100% Korean ancestry, which I said on the basis of my mother and father both having told me they were of Korean ancestry. And what if I took a DNA test later and found out that I'm actually 100% of Chinese ancestry -- that my parents actually adopted me from China but didn't want me to know I was adopted. Would I have been lying when I told you of my Korean ancestry? Should I be attacked and ridiculed for having told you something I had good cause to think was true?

Or, on the flip side, imagine that, thinking I was 100% of Korean ancestry, I applied for a scholarship reserved only for those of Chinese ancestry, telling them falsely that my ancestors were Chinese. If later I found out from a DNA test that I was actually 100% of Chinese ancestry, due to that hypothetical adoption, would that change the fact I'd lied about my heritage for personal advantage?

The focus on a DNA test doesn't really make sense in the Warren story, and never did. The important question is whether her family did, in fact, have an oral tradition about Native American ancestry. Her DNA test adds a little to the plausibility of such a story having existed (since there was, in fact, a Native American ancestor, it seems more plausible that she was told a story about a Native American ancestor.) But a DNA test could never settle the question of whether such a story existed, one way or the other. The best you can do for that is to interview members of her extended family and see if such a story was, in fact, going around.
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LOL! Tell us exactly what percentage of Native American ancestry the test results showed Warren to be.
 
She's even more of an embarrassment then previously believed. Trying to claim a heritage she doesn't deserve! Shameful elitist bitch!
 
J Craft said:
She's even more of an embarrassment then previously believed. Trying to claim a heritage she doesn't deserve! Shameful elitist bitch!
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That's pretty extreme.

She has always said it's what she was told growing up - what is it w/ you guys? You know the Trump family did the same thing, right? And that they did it for business reasons?
 
volsrock said:
...she had a Native American ancestor in her family dating back six to 10 generations.

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Translation from MSM speak. If you go back 300 years (30 years per generation x 10 generations) you can find evidence of American Indian ancestry. That same level of proof would likely be found in about 90% of the planet’s inhabitants.
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Bullshit.

She took the test the American conservatives asserted she would never take...

...and indeed she has some native American ancestry.

Her family may have exaggerated the amount of the ancestry...and she may have accepted what they said.

She did not lie.

She said she had a bit of native American blood.

She does.

She has more than I do. My DNA shows not a trace of it...although my DNA does show a relatively significant percentage (a bit less than 3%) of Neanderthal DNA.

The idea that 90% of the people on the planet would show the same level of native American blood...is an absurdity.
 
Once again, the double-standard that Trump is held to by his supporters is mind-boggling. It's as obvious as him telling them that he's not wearing a red tie, when he's clearly wearing a red tie, but they just repeat "no, he is not wearing a red tie."
 
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