NO.
Desh, mandatory paid maternity leave, universal health care, and subsidized child day care are socialism.
And if we did that we know where it would ultimately lead: collectivism and communism.
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NO.
Desh, mandatory paid maternity leave, universal health care, and subsidized child day care are socialism.
And if we did that we know where it would ultimately lead: collectivism and communism.
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Don't let in immigrants.
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uscitizen
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I'm an immigrant! OK, I came here with a topnotch education, but ...
Ehh ?
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Everyone tries to tie the positive connotation of the founding era to their political belief no matter how ridiculous it is. I seriously doubt anyone now would want slave or to torture gay people, though.
uscitizen
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No not in Canada.
I don't have a single doubt that the proportion of lazy icelanders is the same as the proportion of lazy americans.
I'm not buying that there are certain socities based on the pull yourself up by the bootstraps and work hard narrative.
Iceland, obviously is a country that doesn't tolerate poverty, inequity in education, and values strong infrastructures and progams to support families. I doubt they are even bothering to have a silly debate about whether subsidized child care and mandatory paid maternal and paternal leave are worth it. They've moved beyond that law of the jungle crap-ola
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And how are the countries that the vikings came from doing ?
the majority of us here descended from the same stock that spawned hitler.
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People of German ancestry are the largest "kind" of white folks but its certainly nowhere near a majority.
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This post seems entirely irrelevant to the discussion going on, but I'll address it.
The Founders were opposed to slavery as an institution and took steps to prevent its spread. They knew that Southern states, particularly Georgia and South Carolina, would not join the new union if slavery were completely abolished.
What they did do was to ban the international slave trade, preventing more African slaves from being brought in. In hindsight, we can berate them all we want for not doing more, but it was a considerable step and definitely all that could be accomplished at the time.
Each successive generation has made a contribution to the advancement of racial equality. The Founders contained slavery and prevented more from being brought in. Lincoln eliminated the institution of slavery by emancipation. Kennedy's generation saw the solidification of civil rights for African Americans, and it is entirely possible that by electing Barack Obama we are making our own generational contribution to the neverending struggle.
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This is a valid observation. I have one question, though, for anyone who thinks that this is sufficient explanation for racism that still clings to parts of our society: If you were African American today, would you be content or even willing to wait for another generation or two to see the advances that would bring society to the even plane to which you are entitled today? Just a thought.
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True not a majority, but the major source of current "Americans".
Epicurus
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A single individual has no power to mitigate the situation. Even a minority group, like African-Americans has limited power to affect change. All we can do is try to survive the age we are living in and do our small part to change things for the better.
Of course I would be angered at this slow crawl if I were an African-American, but there are many areas of our society that are utterly and intolerably unfair. As a drug user I feel that we are unfairly persecuted, but I can't get angry at GWB or Barack Obama for not decriminalizing immediately. It would be politically impossible. I'm not equating the chosen lifestyle of a drug user with the unchosen attribute of skin color, but it should be helpful for you to understand the situation.
I am angered at the slow progress towards justice in this regard, but at the same time I undestand that there are reforms that our society is simply not ready to accept, no matter how fervent my beliefs.
I am not attempting to "explain" racism but I will defend the admittedly slow progress toward equality our country has made.
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I understand what you're saying, and certainly can't dispute it. I think, though, that we also have to understand why so many people who belong to groups that have traditionally suffered the consequences of both blatant and subtle racism would be fed up and angry and not willing to wait for the next generation of those who perceive themselves "in charge" to wake up.
I used to feel that each generation became more realistic, less racist, with better education, better information, better understanding. I guess I also used to think that this occurred more or less across the board, but it doesn't. Last week we saw or read some of the ignorant comments and attitudes that came out of WV (and even Indiana) prior to last week's primary. I guess what I'm saying is that we have to do a better job of making it clear that this is not acceptable. Not at the legislative level, which has been addressed, but in our daily lives. Nobody, I repeat, nobody should be shortchanged simply as a consequence of genes.