Papadopoulos Urged to Withdraw Guilty Plea – Was Set Up By Deep State Spies

Darth Omar said:
Obviously, Junior was going to enquire about the dirt—you can basically assume that, since he thought dirt would be the topic.
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He said very plainly in his e-mail exchange with Goldstone that the meeting was about getting dirt. Adoptions never came up in any of the e-mails between Goldstone and Uday. Now what's really ridiculous about your defense is that you're admitting that Uday went there to get stolen dirt on Clinton, which is against the law. So you're admitting that the President's own son was colluding with Russia to get stolen e-mails on Clinton. You're trying to distract with "adoptions" when the only indication you have that was a subject was a memo dictated post-hoc by Trump himself.

I don't understand why a reasonably intelligent person like you wouldn't believe the shit you're seeing with your own eyes, and why you're stooping to such lows and going to such extreme lengths to defend Trump. It feels to me like you have hitched your wagon permanently to that wreck, and rather than admit you were conned you double down on it. I don't understand why. You don't owe Trump anything.
 
Darth Omar said:
Junior even had his secretary call him out of the meeting since it was wasting his time. It certainly sounds like a meeting about adoption.
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Why do you believe Uday when he says that? That's what I don't get...you're taking these people at their word when all they've done is lie about this. Constantly. So Uday says he was called out of the meeting? Well, Uday also said he had no contact with Russia and told Congress the meeting was about "adoptions" when his own e-mail exchange with Goldstone doesn't mention adoption at all.

The "adoption" thing was post-hoc, conjured by Trump once people found out about this meeting he had tried to keep secret for obvious reasons.


Your conspiracy theories, not withstanding.
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You're buying into a non-conspiracy conspiracy theory for the sole reason that you simply cannot accept the fact that you've been duped and tricked by a two-bit failed reality TV conman, that your impeccable judgment was wrong, and that your instincts are for shit.

Remember: Trump denied anyone having any contact with Russia at all.

So he lied about that. And if he lied about that, why wouldn't he be lying about what transpired from all those contacts he claimed never happened, but did?
 
hvilleherb said:
Hopefully the red wave will shut them up.
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Democrats currently hold a +13 advantage in generic polling and a +11 advantage in generic polling in swing states & districts.

Conservative enthusiasm is so bad that the Democratic nominee for Senate in Mississippi is currently leading all potential Republican challengers.
 
LV426 said:
Why do you believe Uday when he says that? That's what I don't get...you're taking these people at their word when all they've done is lie about this. Constantly. So Uday says he was called out of the meeting? Well, Uday also said he had no contact with Russia and told Congress the meeting was about "adoptions" when his own e-mail exchange with Goldstone doesn't mention adoption at all.

The "adoption" thing was post-hoc, conjured by Trump once people found out about this meeting he had tried to keep secret for obvious reasons.




You're buying into a non-conspiracy conspiracy theory for the sole reason that you simply cannot accept the fact that you've been duped and tricked by a two-bit failed reality TV conman, that your impeccable judgment was wrong, and that your instincts are for shit.

Remember: Trump denied anyone having any contact with Russia at all.

So he lied about that. And if he lied about that, why wouldn't he be lying about what transpired from all those contacts he claimed never happened, but did?
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I think you’ve been sucked into a conspiracy theory. It’s nothing to be embarrassed about—I’ve been had myself.

Let’s stop and think it through: the Trump Tower meeting is actually evidence there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia—at least prior to the meeting itself.

Answer this: why would the Kremlin use a two bit entertainment person like Goldstone to set it up? I thought the Trump campaign was already knee deep in Russian collusion? If that’s the case, they would already have a back channel in place. Hell, Putin supposedly already had Manafort in his back pocket—why use a Russian lawyer that lobbies for the adoption issue, to get to Trump—when they could have just used Manafort’s supposed Kremlin connections to transmit the Hillary dirt? Makes no sense.

It doesn’t add up. Conspiracy theories usually don’t if you think them through.

Also, note that Junior seemed pleasantly *surprised* that the Russians would offer dirt on Hillary. Where was the ‘oh yeah, so and so Russian has already been quite helpful in that regard’. The email thread between Junior and Goldstone is actually exculpatory for *pre-existing collusion* between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Which means Meeting Gate was most likely the beginning, and the end, of Russian Collusion. Mullet may be able to wring a charge out of it, but it’s going to take a novel application of the law to do it. More importantly, dispassionate observers will rightly label the whole enterprise as a big waste of time and a dud—given the two plus years of hysteria over Russian collusion.
 
Darth Omar said:
I think you’ve been sucked into a conspiracy theory. It’s nothing to be embarrassed about—I’ve been had myself.
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You're currently being had. You're taking Uday at his word when he's given you zero reasons to trust him. Remember, they all said no one had any contact with Russia.

Turns out that "no contact" actually means "lots of contact".

I just want you to admit that they lied when they said there was no contact with Russia. If you admit to that, then the rest of this all falls into line.
 
Darth Omar said:
Let’s stop and think it through: the Trump Tower meeting is actually evidence there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia—at least prior to the meeting itself
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So meeting with Russia wasn't meeting with Russia.

So words don't mean what they mean now?

Fact is that Uday and Goldstone set this meeting up for the purpose of getting stolen e-mails from Russia that contained "dirt" on Clinton.

The meeting happened, and Trump told no one about it until after the fact, and only after the meeting was uncovered. That's when the "adoptions" explanation first made its appearance since no documentation in e-mails or messages exists in reference to "adoptions" prior to this meeting.

So you insist this meeting was about "adoptions" when that only became the explanation post-hoc.

You're buying that lie because not buying it would mean that you were lied to, and that would mean your judgment and instincts aren't as good as you want people to think. So once again, this becomes all about you and your overriding concern that people take you seriously despite poor judgment and instincts that are for shit.
 
Darth Omar said:
Hell, Putin supposedly already had Manafort in his back pocket—why use a Russian lawyer that lobbies for the adoption issue, to get to Trump—when they could have just used Manafort’s supposed Kremlin connections to transmit the Hillary dirt? Makes no sens
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Idiot.

Manafort was at that Trump Tower meeting.

He even took notes which are now in the possession of the Special Counsel.

FFS, how is it possible for you to know virtually nothing about this?

Why do I get the sense you're just making this up as you go, spitting conjecture because you don't want to reconcile the fact that your impeccable judgment is actually a steaming pile of shit? A pile so fetid, you were duped by a reality TV show host.
 
Darth Omar said:
Also, note that Junior seemed pleasantly *surprised* that the Russians would offer dirt on Hillary. Where was the ‘oh yeah, so and so Russian has already been quite helpful in that regard’. The email thread between Junior and Goldstone is actually exculpatory for *pre-existing collusion* between the Trump campaign and Russia.
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LOL!

The e-mail exchange shows Goldstone telling Uday that Russia is in possession of the stolen e-mails (we know that because of Scavino's tweet on May 11th), that it comes from the Russian government, is "high level", and is for Russia's support of Trump's candidacy.

That isn't exculpatory evidence, it's incriminating evidence.

This is also after y'all said for months "no one had any contact with Russia."

That was obviously a lie, wasn't it?
 
Darth Omar said:
Which means Meeting Gate was most likely the beginning, and the end, of Russian Collusion.
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Why do you say that? The only reason you are is because Uday says nothing came from the meeting. That is what you're basing your entire conclusion on; Uday's word.

We already know Uday broke his word when he gave a false statement to Congress about this meeting, so why would you take him at his word when he says nothing came of it?

And something certainly did come of it...those e-mails were dumped by Wikileaks during the Democratic Convention, when they would do the most damage to party unity, and then a couple days after that, Trump went on TV and asked Russia for help.

Even Uday admits the meeting wasn't about "adoptions". So your defense is a little obsolete.
 
Darth Omar said:
More importantly, dispassionate observers will rightly label the whole enterprise as a big waste of time and a dud—given the two plus years of hysteria over Russian collusion.
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So your post is really funny because you admit that they attempted to commit conspiracy when you say the Trump Tower meeting was the "beginning and end of collusion". Well, that means even if you take Uday at his word, he still attempted conspiracy with Russia.

Why you believe Uday is beyond me...I think you're just desperate to avoid holding your own poor judgment to account for leading you down this ridiculous path.
 
LV426 said:
Idiot.

Manafort was at that Trump Tower meeting.

He even took notes which are now in the possession of the Special Counsel.

FFS, how is it possible for you to know virtually nothing about this?

Why do I get the sense you're just making this up as you go, spitting conjecture because you don't want to reconcile the fact that your impeccable judgment is actually a steaming pile of shit? A pile so fetid, you were duped by a reality TV show host.
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I’m trying to help you think lol.

Learn some critical thinking skills. I thought Manafort was Trump’s connection to the Kremlin. Manafort either had connections or he didn’t. If he had connections, why even call the meeting? All Manafort needed to do was use his connections *in Russia* to get the dirt without involving a goof ball like Goldstone and risk getting caught.

Answer that.
 
Ok, you made me google Uday to see what the frick you were talking about lol.

Uday was one of Saddam’s sons and the junior Trump’s supposedly refer to one another that way. And Trump is the next Saddam.

Dude, just wow. Back off on the koolaide, it’s going to give you brain damage.
 
Darth Omar said:
Ok, you made me google Uday to see what the frick you were talking about lol.

Uday was one of Saddam’s sons and the junior Trump’s supposedly refer to one another that way. And Trump is the next Saddam.

Dude, just wow. Back off on the koolaide, it’s going to give you brain damage.
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Are you serious? You had to google?

Uday was much more of a sadistic phychopath than Donnie Jr., it is an amusing reference.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dail...mps-sons-known-Uday-Qusay-author-reveals.html
 
Darth Omar said:
Learn some critical thinking skills. I thought Manafort was Trump’s connection to the Kremlin. Manafort either had connections or he didn’t. If he had connections, why even call the meeting?
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BECAUSE HE WAS THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER YOU STUPID FUCKING MORON
 
Darth Omar said:
Learn some critical thinking skills. I thought Manafort was Drumpf’s connection to the Kremlin. Manafort either had connections or he didn’t. If he had connections, why even call the meeting? All Manafort needed to do was use his connections *in Russia* to get the dirt without involving a goof ball like Goldstone and risk getting caught.Answer that.
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Because Manafort was the campaign manager and the e-mail exchange between Uday and Goldstone was directly related to Russia's support of Trump's campaign. You know, like the email exchange says.
 
LV426 said:
BECAUSE HE WAS THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER YOU STUPID FUCKING MORON
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Getting a little testy are we lol.

Pay attention: Manafort is Trump’s alleged connection to The Kremlin. That means they were in communication with one another. What purpose would third party intermediaries like Goldstone and the Russian lawyer serve?

Or are you suggesting Manafort wasn’t in contact with the Kremlin?
 
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