This is f*cking embarrassing,

[LV426]

Yes, but they had indictments of people connected directly to Nixon for crimes that Nixon/his campaign directed, and hard evidence within 6 months.

We have three plea deals already from Trump associates; Flynn, Gates, Papadopolous.

Manafort is in prison already, awaiting trial.

The scope and scale of the conspiracy is quite large, based on Mueller's indictment and the Senate Committee's report.

Mueller just hired a gaggle of new lawyers.

This isn't even close to being over.

 

[LV426]

As Strzok just testified, not a single person has been indicted for colluding to swing the election to Trump. And as Mueller just announced, despite the 12 indictments of Russians, not a single member of the Trump campaign and not a single American is connected to any of those people.

So, you obviously didn't read the indictment because it says two very troubling things for you:

1. Someone (Likely Roger Stone) was in contact with the GRU and then in contact with "senior advisors to the Trump campaign"
2. A Congressional candidate reached out to the GRU to get hacked info on their opponent

This was an indictment of just the Russian actors; but the indictment seems to indicate that they were in contact with Trump's team.

BTW - Trump said "no one had any contact with Russia" over and over. That's a lie, isn't it?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Lol. Have you seen pictures of Obama and Putin next to each other? Pretty sure Barry's pants are wet.

The one photo I can think of, Putin looks very nervous, and Obama is looking at him w/ disdain.

Besides, we're talking about Trump. This morning was - at its very best - one of the weakest moments I've seen from an American President, ever.

 

[archives]

Also, the way he speaks with such certainty about what Trump and Putin discussed in their meeting, you would think he was in the room with them.

Got to correct you again, I commented specifically on what the President said at the press conference, do you actually think it was any different in the room? That he bought it up with a warning secretly and then went out and kissed his ass publically?

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Muellers has been a little over a year. Congresses investigation has been 2. The medias has been over 2.

And it seems you were the one not paying attention. Because that announcement of Russian interference from Russian intelligence operatives also stated that no American citizens or anyone involved in the American election process were connected in any way to the Russian individuals. It also stated that jo votes were changed due to Russian interference. So collusion..? Nope.

And if you're so blinded by your bias that you do t think that Russia has tried to influence every American election since the USSR fell, then there's no helping you. There has always been Russian espionage against the US. You just never cared until CNN told you to.

The Russians have always tried to interfere in our elections. The left just didnt care until they realized it was their best excuse to explain why Trump won. Even though the real answer is that Hillary was the worst presidential candidate of all time, the DNC screwed Bernie, and Hillary never once visited Wisconsin or Michgan during the election cycle.

Its estimated that the Russians spent 11 mil trying to interfere with the election. The campaigns spent 1.5 billion combined. The media spent 8.2 billion. If you really think that 11.2 million from the Russians had a bigger impact than Hillary not visiting Michigan or Wisconsin, then I dont know what to tell you. Just keep believing the conspiracy theories if ignorance makes you feel better I guess..

And we have a long and rich history of dicking around in other folks elections as well, including Russian elections.

The power structure knows full well it has lost all semblance of legitimacy, so does the entire world. All it has left to offer the masses are illusions as the empire continues to unravel in the predictable manner in which empires do in decline.

 

[archives]

Watergate had indictments of people that were connected to Nixon within 6 months. And they didnt have the technology or billions that the media have poured into the Russia investigation.

You kidding, that was nearly five decades ago, and the burglars there were American caught in America, today it is cyber, takes more time to attain physical evidence

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Lol. Have you seen pictures of Obama and Putin next to each other? Pretty sure Barry's pants are wet.

Every time I see /Don and Barry in the same frame or juxtaposed, I'm reminded that the empty vacuous reality challenged pig with a slew of kids from 3 different baby mommas is the fatass white guy.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

What is Trumps take on non-whites?

Thanks for asking. This ought to do for now.
~~~
“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.

He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”

Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.

At the White House on Jan. 11, Trump vulgarly called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa and more from Norway. [Remember "shithole countries"?]

He is quick to highlight crimes committed by dark-skinned people, sometimes exaggerating or lying about them (such as a claim about growing crime from “radical Islamic terror” in Britain). He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed by whites against dark-skinned people (such as the killing of an Indian man in Kansas last year).

Trump hired Steve Bannon as his campaign head and later White House chief strategist. Under Bannon’s leadership, the website Breitbart made white nationalism a central theme. It featured a section, for example, on “black crime.”

Trump endorsed and campaigned for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate who spoke positively about slavery and who called for an African-American Muslim member of Congress not to be seated because of his religion.

Trump pardoned – and fulsomely praises – Joe Arpaio, the Arizona sheriff sanctioned for racially profiling Latinos and for keeping immigrants in brutal prison conditions.

In the 1990s, Trump took out advertisements alleging that the “Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented.” At the time, he was fighting competition for his casino business.

In a 1993 radio interview, he suggested that Native Americans in Connecticut were faking their ancestry. “I think I might have more Indian blood than a lot of the so-called Indians that are trying to open up the reservations.”

In a November 2017 meeting with Navajo veterans of World War II, Trump mocked Senator Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas.”

Trump once referred to a Hispanic Miss Universe as “Miss Housekeeping.”

At a June 2016 campaign rally, Trump pointed to one attendee and said: “Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him.”

Lots more: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

 

[United76America]

Are you daft man?

First off, Congressional investigations don't count, it is a GOP Congress, we saw last Thursday what a joke thier investigations are, and, as a side not, it is pretty funny seeing a conservative complain about Congressional investigations after seven continuous years of BenghaziGate, with nothing proven I might add

Secondly, what has been proven is that Russia interfered, the coordination, not "collusion", a right wing invention, is still be investigated, although some would say that meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians pretty much established such

Third, of course they have, but never so direct nor employing cyber, when caught attempting to break into close to thirty State election computers it goes beyond influence to more like attack. And last anyone knew, Russia never extended the effort just to get one particular candidate elected

And the last is just yet another regurgitation of the same tired election envy crapola, Trump even attempted to today to deflect with the same nonsense, as I said, embarrassing. Get over it, the election is soon to be two years old, it is history, nobody cares about it, nor do they care about Hillary, the issue today is an antagonist nation orchestrating a covert espionage effort to undermine what makes us a democracy and the American President allowing the leader of that nation a full pass

Obviously the election matters to you because y'all libs are still crying about it.

A congressional investigation still includes members of the minority. I believe it was Feinstein that said they've found no evidence.

Of course Russia tried to intervene. It's what they do. The Trump tower meeting has been thoroughly investigated. If it proved anything there would be indictments. Because that was months ago. That Russian lawyer was actually under contract by Fusion GPS. Which is the company that the DNC and the Hillary Campaign paid for the fake dossier.

You dont know if they ever tried to hack election computers or if they ever tried to use cyber attacks to influence the election. It's never been investigated before. Back in 2012 when Romney called Russia our greatest geopolitical threat and Obama responded with "the 1980s are calling and they want their foreign policy back". And then Obama promised Medvedev and Putin flexibility in return for "space" during his election, you dont think there's even an iota of a chance that maybe they tried to help good old Barry win since he was obviously more friendly toward the Russians? Lol. What I just said has as much evidence as the Trumo Russia investigation does. Actually probably more since there is the hot mic "flexibility and space" conversation out there.

If Trump has allowed a full pass, please show me where. Because last I've seen sanctions by Trump, as recent as June, have crippled Russias stock market. Tearing up the Iran deal was met very negatively from Russia. Demanding Germany not buy energy from Russia isn't very pro-Russian. Bombing Syria and fighting against Assad, not very pro-Russian.

Btw, there's also evidence that shows that the Russians attempted to use memes, cyber ads, Twitter bots, to help Bernie over Hillary during the primaries.

Just because Russia preferred Trump to Hillary doesn't mean Trump or his campaign had any connection to them.

 

[United76America]

We have three plea deals already from Trump associates; Flynn, Gates, Papadopolous.

Manafort is in prison already, awaiting trial.

The scope and scale of the conspiracy is quite large, based on Mueller's indictment and the Senate Committee's report.

Mueller just hired a gaggle of new lawyers.

This isn't even close to being over.

None of those plea deals have anything to do with "Russian collusion". Which is what the investigation is supposed to be about, yes? Manafort's is for crimes from like 10-15 years ago lol.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

So none of you cons have a problem with this Trump statement?

"I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today," Trump said during a joint news conference following his summit with Putin.

 

[LV426]

None of those plea deals have anything to do with "Russian collusion". Which is what the investigation is supposed to be about, yes? Manafort's is for crimes from like 10-15 years ago lol.

Of course they do because they establish their motivation; money.

Manafort, Flynn, Gates all conspired with Russia because of money. So the indictments are related to the Russian conspiracy because they show the motivations Flynn, Gates, and Manafort had for doing so.

This is how investigations work; you roll people up on their superiors by indicting their motivations.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

So none of you cons have a problem with this Trump statement?

"I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today," Trump said during a joint news conference following his summit with Putin.

What was said, that is a problem?

 

[katzgar]

None of those plea deals have anything to do with "Russian collusion". Which is what the investigation is supposed to be about, yes? Manafort's is for crimes from like 10-15 years ago lol.

Your comment is ignorant. and investigator may pursue any crime as he comes across it

 

[Fentoine Lum]

What was said, that is a problem?

It is typical Trumpian psychobabble, agreed, empty word salad is the norm in america now, just keep the mouth moving and generate vibratory sound waves.

 

[United76America]

Thanks for asking. This ought to do for now.
~~~
“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.

He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”

Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.

At the White House on Jan. 11, Trump vulgarly called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa and more from Norway. [Remember "shithole countries"?]

He is quick to highlight crimes committed by dark-skinned people, sometimes exaggerating or lying about them (such as a claim about growing crime from “radical Islamic terror” in Britain). He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed by whites against dark-skinned people (such as the killing of an Indian man in Kansas last year).

Trump hired Steve Bannon as his campaign head and later White House chief strategist. Under Bannon’s leadership, the website Breitbart made white nationalism a central theme. It featured a section, for example, on “black crime.”

Trump endorsed and campaigned for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate who spoke positively about slavery and who called for an African-American Muslim member of Congress not to be seated because of his religion.

Trump pardoned – and fulsomely praises – Joe Arpaio, the Arizona sheriff sanctioned for racially profiling Latinos and for keeping immigrants in brutal prison conditions.

In the 1990s, Trump took out advertisements alleging that the “Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented.” At the time, he was fighting competition for his casino business.

In a 1993 radio interview, he suggested that Native Americans in Connecticut were faking their ancestry. “I think I might have more Indian blood than a lot of the so-called Indians that are trying to open up the reservations.”

In a November 2017 meeting with Navajo veterans of World War II, Trump mocked Senator Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas.”

Trump once referred to a Hispanic Miss Universe as “Miss Housekeeping.”

At a June 2016 campaign rally, Trump pointed to one attendee and said: “Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him.”

Lots more: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

I'll try to go point by point. Full disclosure, I'm not knowledgeable on all of these quotes so I will not be commenting on the ones I don't know anything about.

In his 2016 speech his disparaged illegal immigrants. Not immigrants. There is a difference. Illegal immigrants make up 3.5% of the us population yet commit anywhere from 15-20% of violent crimes for the US as a whole. Much more than their share of the population.

For the Trump university thing, race can be a factor for bias. It's common for a judge in a very racially motivated case to recuse themself for fear of bias toward a certain race. that said, I don't know enough about that case to make a judgement on why Trump may have said that.

Black people make up 14% of the US population and account for 49.4% of murderers, 32.5% of rapes, 54.9% of robberies, 34.1% of aggravated assaults, 39.9 of weapons charges. Black people under 18 hit those numbers at 50.8%, 33.9%, 68.6%, 42.7% and 36.4% respectively in comparison to people under 18 of other races. Highlighting black crime is fair to do when a race with a population of 14% of the US population is committing so much more than their share of the countries population. All the above data is directly from the FBI Uniform Reporting Database.

Don't know about the Roy Moore slavery comments. Personally I think Roy Moore is a piece of shit. In terms of not seating someone due to their religion, I disagree strongly. However a religious litmus test has been applied to almost every Trump appointee by dems.

If you think Trump calling Warren pocahantas is offensive, but don't think Warren taking her ethnicity is offensive then there's a bigger issue here.

Trump said that the miss housekeeping comment was a joke, not a PC one, but it was a joke. The Hispanic Miss Universe agreed it was a joke and said she loved Donald Trump.

He wasn't claiming ownership over the man at his rally. He was pointing out the fact that the media called his rallies white nationalist rallies but if that were true why would an African American be there? That same man said in an interview that it wasn't offensive. Hillary called black teens "super predators", so.. not really sure what your point is there.

That said, Trump has said some bad/mean things. But his policies have never reflected those words. His actions haven't reflected those words. Trump received an award from the NAACP alongside with Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks. His economic policies have driven black and hispanic unemployment to record lows. Black and hispanic wages are going up. Their poverty levels are going down. Their share of the workforce participation rate is going up. Actions are more important than words.

That said, I'm going to look into the other stuff. Thank you for providing it, it's definitely information I'd like to know.

 

[Nordberg]

Obama to Dmitri Medvedev on a hot mic "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my election and if he gives me space know then I'll be able to offer more flexibility on missile defense etc.." (paraphrase) -- Libs have no problem.

Hillary to Putin *offers physical reset button to represent a reset in relations between the US and Russia with no consequences for Russian actions in Crimea, Syria, or around the world and nothing in return.* -- Libs have no problem.

Trump *two year investigation into potential collusion with Russia over election meddling with no evidence. Despite millions of taxpayers dollars tossed into it and billions of media dollars poured into it. Meets with Putin to discuss relations.* Libs freak out about the end of democracy and our president being a Russian stooge.

I believe this is called... hypocrisy.

Actually it is a demo of your ignorance. The FBI has shown clearly that Russia hacked us and they named the military people who did it. The FBI charged them and did it BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE PROOF. That is what comes after gathering evidence. Do you really not understand that? Patriotic Ameriacans are freaking out because Trump is a Vlad fanboy. Putin has clearly a big secret that keeps Trump under his thump. Might be pee tapes. More likely tons of dirty financial deals. Money laundering is alive and well.

 

[United76America]

So none of you cons have a problem with this Trump statement?

"I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today," Trump said during a joint news conference following his summit with Putin.

No. He never said he agreed. we dont know what Putin presented. We dont know what Mueller has presented. I'm not making judgements until the information is released. I cant make a decision without all of the pertinent information. To do so would be irresponsible.

 

[United76America]

Actually it is a demo of your ignorance. The FBI has shown clearly that Russia hacked us and they named the military people who did it. The FBI charged them and did it BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE PROOF. That is what comes after gathering evidence. Do you really not understand that? Patriotic Ameriacans are freaking out because Trump is a Vlad fanboy. Putin has clearly a big secret that keeps Trump under his thump. Might be pee tapes. More likely tons of dirty financial deals. Money laundering is alive and well.

They indicted the 12 Russians. Also said they have no connection to the Trump campaign or American citizens.

I understand how an indictment works lol. You dont understand how to read past headlines though.

And if Trump was under Putins thumb, then we wouldn't have torn up the Iran deal, would have criticized Germany for buying Russian energy, would have withdrawn from Syria, and would have ended the Mueller investigation before it even started

 

[blackascoal]

Nope. It's working great. We don't want brainwashed globalists in charge.