Why do you allow the lies?

Hello LV426,
I did actually realize that you were correct that trolling exists without enabling.
I have no problem admitting mistakes. And I appreciate when they are pointed out to me. That represents a way to improve.
But you did completely gloss over my point that if nobody ever took the bait then, ultimately, nobody would be trolling.
But I also see that you are very into this win point / lose point thing.
This is entertainment for you, isn't it?
There always seems to be this attempt to demonstrate superior knowledge.
Almost as if there is an insecurity in not being able to do so.
I'm not interested in that.
It's not why I come here.
I gotta be honest, yes.
And to be honest means recognizing that many of these troll/enabler discussions that go on and on and on, back and forth, back and forth? I have no interest in that. I have to scroll on and on, looking for something of substance. I'm not seeing much of that in your posts. I know you are fighting the good fight, trying to mix substance with the win point / lose points thing. It's just that it is laced with so much flames it wrecks it.
Honestly, now, I find myself wondering if it is worth not simply having you on Ignore.
It would make it a lot easier for me to get through all the flame wars to the comments that aren't talking about another poster.
That wouldbe a shame to have to place you on Ignore, because obviously you're very intelligent and well informed, but frankly you come across like Doc Martin.
Perplexing.
I'll probably end up with you on Ignore, but I just need to think about it for a while; because when I do that I never undo it.

Remember:

You asked for honesty.

Well, you can't spell "ignorance" without "ignore".

So by all means, be ignorant. I really don't care.
 
It has to be done without compromising our ideals.

Nothing I wrote is a compromise of any of our ideals.

Fascists can't be hugged into not being fascists. Sometimes violence is the answer. It was the answer 75 years ago. Why not make America great again?
 
Why do you keep coming back to the popular vote?

Because I know how much it upsets Conservatives to remind them that they only won on a technicality, not on the merits of any of their beliefs. Doing so completely undermines their "mandate", and undercuts support for their proposals. After all, most people didn't care for them.


It has zero bearing on how a President gets elected in this country. I like the electoral college. It lets all the people in this country have a say, not just large population centers.

No, it doesn't. It gives unbalanced influence to people who frankly don't deserve it. There's a reason no other country in the world does it like this. It was a relic from the 1700's meant to subvert minority voting blocs by giving outsized influence to rubes, rednecks, slobs, and traitors.
 
LV426 seems to have an extremely tenuous grasp of the way American government works,

You couldn't win the popular vote. Which means the majority of people in this country reject your ideas. You don't have popular support for them. And your arrogance is going to wipe you guys out this fall and again in 2020.
 
You couldn't win the popular vote. Which means the majority of people in this country reject your ideas. You don't have popular support for them. And your arrogance is going to wipe you guys out this fall and again in 2020.

Your assumptions are specious.

People don't need to share anyone's "ideas" in an election, and the popular vote only shows the selection of voters for a candidate, not necessarily their "ideas."

Isn't it a fact that 46.9% of all eligible voters didn't bother to show up on Election Day 2016?

How does that square with your attempt to fallaciously insinuate that "the majority of people in this country reject your ideas?"
 
Your assumptions are specious.

How so? Explain. Seems like you're using words you don't understand.


People don't need to share anyone's "ideas" in an election

So you're saying candidate Trump had no ideas. So you voted for him simply because of his personality. Which would mean you're in a cult of personality.

Weren't intending me to take it in that direction, were ya?
 
It gives unbalanced influence to people who frankly don't deserve it.

You oppose universal suffrage?

Five US presidents in history have been elected despite losing the popular vote: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote

You don't get to decide who "deserves" a vote" and who doesn't.
 
popular vote only shows the selection of voters for a candidate, not necessarily their "ideas."

Candidates don't run on ideas? Well, Conservatives don't because they have no ideas.

So you're admitting that you're just voting for Trump because of the cult of personality.

Do you really want to make that argument?
 
Isn't it a fact that 46.9% of all eligible voters didn't bother to show up on Election Day 2016?

Yes, so add those to Clinton's total (of which she bested Trump by 3,000,000 votes), and you find that close to 70% of the country rejects or doesn't care for your shitty ideas or candidates or whatever you are wiggling around the parameters for voting.

So since you have no broad support, why should anyone take anything you say seriously?
 
How does that square with your attempt to fallaciously insinuate that "the majority of people in this country reject your ideas?"

Ummm...if you couldn't get them to vote for your cult of personality (still can't believe you decided to make that your argument), then they reject it.
 
Yes, so add those to Clinton's total (of which she bested Trump by 3,000,000 votes), and you find that close to 70% of the country rejects or doesn't care for your shitty ideas or candidates or whatever you are wiggling around the parameters for voting.

Or, taken another way and using actual percentages, it could be said that since 25.5% voted for Trump, 1.7% voted for Johnson, and 46.9% of all eligible voters didn't bother to vote for Hillary vs the 25.6% who did...

I think you'll find that the enumerated powers of the office of the presidency are unaffected by any "mandates" or "popular support."
 
You oppose universal suffrage?

LOL! The Electoral College is not universal suffrage. It's the opposite of that because the Electoral College doesn't have to vote as the people do.

So not only do you know nothing about the Constitution, but you don't even know how the Electoral College works, what it is, and what it does.

But I wouldn't expect a Russian troll to know these things.
 
But you are scared, poser; because you've finally realized that it's your own typed and posted words that shame you.

I defy you to find a post where I said you hacked anyone's thread or account.

Give it up. I know you are use to fails...but this is way over the top.

Unless, of course, you are just doing it to amuse.

If so...it is working.
 
LOL! The Electoral College is not universal suffrage.

If I'd said that the Electoral College is universal suffrage, you'd have a point.

Since I didn't, you don't.

LV426;2437372I wouldn't expect a Russian troll to know these things.[/QUOTE said:
Do you expect Russian trolls to possess the ability to assist candidates to win US elections ?
 
Or, taken another way and using actual percentages, it could be said that since 25.5% voted for Trump, 1.7% voted for Johnson, and 46.9% of all eligible voters didn't bother to vote for Hillary vs the 25.6% who did...I think you'll find that the enumerated powers of the office of the presidency are unaffected by any "mandates" or "popular support."

Trump lost the popular vote because he was less popular than Clinton.

Trump was less popular than Clinton.
 
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