Uday Trump tweeted e-mails showing him colluding with Russians to set up the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 to get dirt on Clinton.
Why do you allow the lies?
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Uday Trump tweeted e-mails showing him colluding with Russians to set up the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 to get dirt on Clinton.
I voted against no bill. Are you sure you know how American governance works?
Why didn't DEMOCRATS pass the bill when they controlled Congress and the White House?
They passed Obamacare without a singe Republican vote.
Yet they didn't pass the immigration reform they claim they want when they had the chance.
Why?
Explain how or why when my proposal is the exact same immigration process that existed for asylum seekers before Trump changed the policy in April.
I'll wait.
Who is "Uday Trump"?
What am I surrendering and to whom am I surrendering? These people coming here are seeking asylum and I think they should go through that process without being separated from each other.
How's keeping families together a surrender?
I'll wait for you to explain.
So this is a straw man because in all my posts, I've said that all these people should be able to go through the process and seek asylum, then if they get it they can be resettled and eventually naturalized.
You deliberately constructed a fake, straw man argument because you ultimately don't know what you're talking about.
That's what makes me think you're not an American, but rather a Russian troll pretending to be American.
How could Republicans deny Obama a victory on immigration since they were unable to prevent Obamacare? Are you saying DEMOCRATS didn't pass legislation they could have passed because of bad timing on their part?
So you first started out by soliciting what our ideas were. You posted "what's your proposal", or some variant of that about half a dozen times. When I gave you my proposal, you couldn't debate the merits. You could only speak in broad generalities and then you get simple facts wrong when you do. When you realized that, you switched tactics to say "well, it wouldn't get passed anyway". Which is a total cop-out, bitch move because it is a surrender of your argument from before; that there were no proposals, let alone proposals of merit. I gave you both and your instinct was to deflect and run away, while still speaking in vague, ambiguous terms so you could wiggle around the parameters later on as you tried to shift your argument.
Total bitch move.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello LV426,
I did actually realize that you were correct that trolling exists without enabling.
I have no problem admitting mistakes. And I appreciate when they are pointed out to me. That represents a way to improve.
But you did completely gloss over my point that if nobody ever took the bait then, ultimately, nobody would be trolling.
But I also see that you are very into this win point / lose point thing.
This is entertainment for you, isn't it?
There always seems to be this attempt to demonstrate superior knowledge.
Almost as if there is an insecurity in not being able to do so.
I'm not interested in that.
It's not why I come here.
I gotta be honest, yes.
And to be honest means recognizing that many of these troll/enabler discussions that go on and on and on, back and forth, back and forth? I have no interest in that. I have to scroll on and on, looking for something of substance. I'm not seeing much of that in your posts. I know you are fighting the good fight, trying to mix substance with the win point / lose points thing. It's just that it is laced with so much flames it wrecks it.
Honestly, now, I find myself wondering if it is worth not simply having you on Ignore.
It would make it a lot easier for me to get through all the flame wars to the comments that aren't talking about another poster.
That would be a shame to have to place you on Ignore, because obviously you're very intelligent and well informed, but frankly you come across like Doc Martin.
Perplexing.
I'll probably end up with you on Ignore, but I just need to think about it for a while; because when I do that I never undo it.
Remember:
You asked for honesty.
I did actually realize that you were correct that trolling exists without enabling.
I have no problem admitting mistakes. And I appreciate when they are pointed out to me. That represents a way to improve.
But you did completely gloss over my point that if nobody ever took the bait then, ultimately, nobody would be trolling.
But I also see that you are very into this win point / lose point thing.
This is entertainment for you, isn't it?
There always seems to be this attempt to demonstrate superior knowledge.
Almost as if there is an insecurity in not being able to do so.
I'm not interested in that.
It's not why I come here.
I gotta be honest, yes.
And to be honest means recognizing that many of these troll/enabler discussions that go on and on and on, back and forth, back and forth? I have no interest in that. I have to scroll on and on, looking for something of substance. I'm not seeing much of that in your posts. I know you are fighting the good fight, trying to mix substance with the win point / lose points thing. It's just that it is laced with so much flames it wrecks it.
Honestly, now, I find myself wondering if it is worth not simply having you on Ignore.
It would make it a lot easier for me to get through all the flame wars to the comments that aren't talking about another poster.
That would be a shame to have to place you on Ignore, because obviously you're very intelligent and well informed, but frankly you come across like Doc Martin.
Perplexing.
I'll probably end up with you on Ignore, but I just need to think about it for a while; because when I do that I never undo it.
Remember:
You asked for honesty.
When the reckoning comes, we cannot show these people any mercy. All they understand is cruelty, so we have to be cruel to them. No more turning the other cheek. No more forgive and forget. These people are fascists who will never relent. They cannot be shamed because they are shameless. What we have to do is create an environment for them that makes them so uncomfortable, they self-isolate. I think that's achieved by doxxing them online, and then bombarding their family, friends, employers, and places of business with the worst of what they've said and done. Then let the free market decide if these people should be kept around.
It is a given because it's the law. The law says these people can come and seek asylum here.
Like I asked, you're not an American, are you? I'm not going to ask that question again because I know the answer now. You're not an American. You're playing pretend.
And right on cue here comes the self-victimhood and pitying.
Kill yourself. Someone might actually miss you.
USF:
Not sure what happened to my post accepting the bet.
Here is the essence of the post that seems to have disappeared.
I accept the bet**…providing the bet is spelled out in detail.
If I lose, there will be no need for a perma-ban. I pledge that if I lose I will NEVER post in this forum again…nor will I ever have someone else post anything for me. I also pledge NEVER to attempt a re-entry into the forum using another screen name…or as a sock.
I expect that you will make a similar pledge…and I will accept that pledge despite the fact that you have shown yourself on other occasions to be duplicitous.
(I also expect that a moderator will insure that no sock or other name entry be made by the loser.)
This should be handled in a separate thread…so that everyone in the forum can see that a challenge has been made and accepted…and the consequences of the “bet” established.
Start it.
We can easily and quickly iron out any misunderstandings…so that the bet is established with certainty.
For the record, I think one of us leaving will make this forum a better place...so everyone, including the forum, will be a winner.
**The bet has to do with you (or one of the moderators) being able to prove (I will accept fairly and reasonably establish) that something I said on the issue being discussed between us is untrue.
Not sure what happened to my post accepting the bet.
Here is the essence of the post that seems to have disappeared.
I accept the bet**…providing the bet is spelled out in detail.
If I lose, there will be no need for a perma-ban. I pledge that if I lose I will NEVER post in this forum again…nor will I ever have someone else post anything for me. I also pledge NEVER to attempt a re-entry into the forum using another screen name…or as a sock.
I expect that you will make a similar pledge…and I will accept that pledge despite the fact that you have shown yourself on other occasions to be duplicitous.
(I also expect that a moderator will insure that no sock or other name entry be made by the loser.)
This should be handled in a separate thread…so that everyone in the forum can see that a challenge has been made and accepted…and the consequences of the “bet” established.
Start it.
We can easily and quickly iron out any misunderstandings…so that the bet is established with certainty.
For the record, I think one of us leaving will make this forum a better place...so everyone, including the forum, will be a winner.
**The bet has to do with you (or one of the moderators) being able to prove (I will accept fairly and reasonably establish) that something I said on the issue being discussed between us is untrue.
Standard stock reply from a troll.
You're not an American. Get the fuck out of here, Russkie.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
I only quote you people in full. Unless you post memes, then I quote you like this: <meme meant to paper over the fact and morality deficit in their argument>
Kill yourself if it upsets you that much. Go ahead. I dare you.
I'm not the one who won't admit that the policy you're denying while also defending came from the lips of Kelly, Miller, and Sessions.
You're in denial there.
I have accepted, Shithead. Let's have at it.
I have accepted, Shithead. Let's have at it.
I have accepted, Shithead. Let's have at it.
I have accepted, Shithead. Let's have at it.