Hasty rooftop solar decree could backfire

cawacko

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Interesting perspective on California's proposed solar mandate by 2020. For those environmentally inclined what do you think of the arguments given against going this route?




Commentary: Hasty rooftop solar decree could backfire


The California Energy Commission, more or less on the fly, has decreed that beginning in 2020 all new single-family homes and low-rise multi-family residential projects must be built with rooftop solar panels.

Although they would add perhaps $10,000 to the cost of a new home, the commission insists that solar arrays would pay for themselves in lower electric power bills while helping the state meet its greenhouse gas reduction goals.

All good? Not necessarily.

It has the feel of a political gesture, something that Gov. Jerry Brown and other politicians can tout as part of their “resistance” to President Donald Trump on climate change policy, and that Brown can crow about when he hosts a global climate conference next fall before vacating the governorship.

Tellingly, the new decree is being sharply criticized by the state’s leading energy experts, who – with perfect logic – complain that it’s being done in haste without adequate notice and study, rather than part of a rational energy policy, and has potentially adverse impacts.

Severin Borenstein, of UC-Berkeley’s Energy Institute, wrote a letter to the commission just before it acted this month, urging it to back off.

“I, along with the vast majority of energy economists, believe that residential rooftop solar is a much more expensive way to move toward renewable energy than larger solar and wind installations,” Borenstein said.

James Bushnell, director of the Energy Economics Program at UC-Davis, echoed Borenstein’s criticism in a Sacramento Bee article.

“Even at the utility-scale cost of 5 to 6 cents a kilowatt hour,” Bushnell wrote, “there is growing concern that the massive commitment to solar in California is creating such a glut of mid-day electricity that prices during the day are plunging, and sometimes below zero. We are literally paying people to consume electricity during some midday hours.”

He added, “The Energy Commission mandate will pile even more expensive power onto that excess. Costs for society will go up, and the value received will go down.”
Those are – or should be – devastating criticisms, and as Bushnell implies, there’s even a greater potential negative effect on California’s existing utilities.

Even if every home in California were to have solar panels, we’d still need the grid to provide power during the night, and to move power around the state as needed. A massive commitment to rooftop solar changes the economics of the utilities that maintain the grid.

After the Energy Commission acted hastily, Moody’s Investors Service issued a bulletin calling it a “credit negative for the state’s utilities,” and suggesting, as have other authorities, that utility rates on residences still getting their power from the grid will have to be raised to offset the loss of revenue from those generating their own energy.

This is serious business, too serious to be done on a political whim.

Having reliable and reasonably priced electric power is crucial, and shifting to solar, wind and other “renewable” sources for that power is difficult at best, due to the complex financial and technical aspects. Therefore, it needs to be done carefully and comprehensively.

Two decades ago, we saw what happened when government officials arbitrarily decided to change California’s electric power system, shifting to partial deregulation with promises of universal benefit.

It was one of the greatest policy errors in the state’s history, leading to the bankruptcy of one major utility and near-bankruptcy of another and saddling Californians with even higher power costs.

The hastily drafted rooftop solar mandate has the potential for similarly adverse consequences, as the state’s leading energy experts are trying to tell us.



https://calmatters.org/articles/commentary/commentary-hasty-rooftop-solar-decree-could-backfire/
 
Well I'll give you credit for attempting a real policy issue, but on this forum, it will soon be widdled down to cliches on climate change accented by personal insults

What I don't understand is that the thesis of the article seems to be that there may be too much energy generated and the grid needs a more even even and predictable source of energy to be efficient. That the change is occurring without planning or accompanying change in the grid which will cause problems

Doesn't seem quite right, can't imagine the mandate was approved by what I assume is the State's energy oversee entity with total disregard of such a problem
 
"Solar power in California has been growing rapidly because of high insolation, community support, declining solar costs, and a Renewable Portfolio Standard which requires that 33% of California's electricity come from renewable resources by 2020, and 50% by 2030.[1] Much of this is expected to come from solar power via photovoltaic facilities or solar thermal power facilities."

"California has several large concentrated solar power plants.
The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System (392 MW), located 40 miles (60 km) southwest of Las Vegas and developed by BrightSource Energy and Bechtel, is the world's largest solar thermal power project.[34][35] The project has received a $1.375 billion loan guarantee from the United States Department of Energy. It deploys 347,000 heliostat mirrors focusing solar energy on boilers located on centralized solar power towers.[34]"

"Operational[edit]
The Desert Sunlight Solar Farm is a 550 MW solar power plant in Riverside County, that uses thin-film solar CdTe-modules made by First Solar. The plant was completed in December 2014.[27]
The Imperial Valley Solar Project is a 99 MW power station, located in Imperial County.
The California Valley Solar Ranch (CVSR) is a 250 MW solar photovoltaic power plant, built by SunPower in the Carrizo Plain, northeast of California Valley.[28]
The Mount Signal Solar project was completed near the Mexican border in May 2014. The installed PV capacity of the solar farm amounts to 265.7 MW (206 MWAC).[29][30][31]
The Topaz Solar Farm is a 550 MW power station located in San Luis Obispo County. It was completed in November 2014 and was the world's largest PV power plant at the time.
The Desert Stateline Solar Facility is a 300 MW power plant near the Nevada border in San Bernardino County.
The Redwood Solar Facility is a cluster of 4 smaller solar generating stations that amount to 100 MW. It is located in Kern County with the final phase being completed in March 2018.[32][33]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_California

cawacko. California isn't 'hastily drafting' anything.
 
"Solar power in California has been growing rapidly because of high insolation, community support, declining solar costs, and a Renewable Portfolio Standard which requires that 33% of California's electricity come from renewable resources by 2020, and 50% by 2030.[1] Much of this is expected to come from solar power via photovoltaic facilities or solar thermal power facilities."

"California has several large concentrated solar power plants.
The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System (392 MW), located 40 miles (60 km) southwest of Las Vegas and developed by BrightSource Energy and Bechtel, is the world's largest solar thermal power project.[34][35] The project has received a $1.375 billion loan guarantee from the United States Department of Energy. It deploys 347,000 heliostat mirrors focusing solar energy on boilers located on centralized solar power towers.[34]"

"Operational[edit]
The Desert Sunlight Solar Farm is a 550 MW solar power plant in Riverside County, that uses thin-film solar CdTe-modules made by First Solar. The plant was completed in December 2014.[27]
The Imperial Valley Solar Project is a 99 MW power station, located in Imperial County.
The California Valley Solar Ranch (CVSR) is a 250 MW solar photovoltaic power plant, built by SunPower in the Carrizo Plain, northeast of California Valley.[28]
The Mount Signal Solar project was completed near the Mexican border in May 2014. The installed PV capacity of the solar farm amounts to 265.7 MW (206 MWAC).[29][30][31]
The Topaz Solar Farm is a 550 MW power station located in San Luis Obispo County. It was completed in November 2014 and was the world's largest PV power plant at the time.
The Desert Stateline Solar Facility is a 300 MW power plant near the Nevada border in San Bernardino County.
The Redwood Solar Facility is a cluster of 4 smaller solar generating stations that amount to 100 MW. It is located in Kern County with the final phase being completed in March 2018.[32][33]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_California

cawacko. California isn't 'hastily drafting' anything.

Please pardon my ignorance but I don't understand how what you just posted relates to the arguments made in the OP.
 
"One of the most interesting and controversial issues currently confronting California local government is whether or not to man- date the use of solar energy technologies. In 1978 San Diego County become the first county to pass an ordinance which re- quired the use of solar domestic water heating systems in all new houses constructed where natural gas was not available.' On Oc- tober 1, 1980, the ordinance expanded to include areas with natu- ral gas supplies."
https://escholarship.org/content/qt0m99q52t/qt0m99q52t.pdf

1978. 40 years ago.
 
You've lost me. I don't think I used that number. You talking in this thread?

Yes.. this:

"Although they would add perhaps $10,000 to the cost of a new home, the commission insists that solar arrays would pay for themselves in lower electric power bills while helping the state meet its greenhouse gas reduction goals."
 
Yes.. this:

"Although they would add perhaps $10,000 to the cost of a new home, the commission insists that solar arrays would pay for themselves in lower electric power bills while helping the state meet its greenhouse gas reduction goals."

I didn't write the article...
 
I put solar hot water on my 5 ,000 square foot house in 1979.. It was terrific.. We had a house full of kids so the washing and showers never stopped.. It saved a ton of money.

Solar thermal is the way to go. Very efficient.
 
Why does everything with you always end up with Saudi Arabia?

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Princess kudzu, 6,054th in line to the Saudi Throne, child of one of Salman's many wives, and premier huckster for Saudi Arabia and everything it stands for. She's a Master of Distraction and Confusion. Totally fluent in Doublespeak. Defender of the Two Holy Sites and submissive to Allah, the Most Merciful and the Prophet Mohammad, Peace Be Upon Him. If you ask, she may show you the scaring at her clitoris where she underwent Female Circumcision as a child.

She once told me she was a WASP. Wahhabi Arab Salafi Person. I believe her.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement
 
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