Conservatives against Trump

Joe Capitalist

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More Republicans will turn against Donald Trump and his politics of populism, a GOP senator and leading critic of the president has predicted, as the Guardian surveys the conservative landscape 200 days into the Trump presidency.

Jeff Flake of Arizona, among 17 conservative politicians, activists, officials and pundits interviewed over two months, revealed that while the president has given rightwing fringe groups a seat at the table, his alliance with his own party remains highly precarious.

“More of us will say, where does this lead, where are we and what happens when we get off this sugar high of populism?” said Flake, who believes the Republican party abandoned its core principles and struck “a Faustian bargain” by embracing Trump in last year’s election.

“What can we do on trade when supply chains get sent around us? Those have long-term ramifications,” added the senator. “This is not something that we can flirt with for four years and then quickly snap back, so I do think there needs to be more pushback.”

Trump, a former Democrat with no political experience, ran as an antiestablishment candidate effectively staging a hostile takeover of the Republican party. Indeed in July 2015 former Texas governor Rick Perry declared: “Donald Trump’s candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded.” Perry is now Trump’s energy secretary.

But after months of facing criticism that they are too passive, lately congressional Republicans have flexed their muscles over threats from the White House directed at Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, and Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Trump and Russia, as well as fresh sanctions against Moscow that Trump reluctantly was obliged to sign.

Trump is not a conservative. I don’t think he has any intellectual guideposts or political ideology.
In addition, high-profile Republicans at various levels of government have been accused of mounting “shadow campaigns” for 2020 – including Mike Pence, the vice president, who issued a statement on Sunday denouncing a New York Times report about his alleged positioning for a post-Trump era as “disgraceful and offensive”.

Flake, whose new book Conscience of a Conservative argues that conservatism has been compromised by “nationalism, populism, xenophobia, extreme partisanship, even celebrity”, believes others will join him in breaking ranks.

“The talk of firing Jeff Sessions, the AG, is not going over well in the Senate, and I’ve been heartened to see so many of my colleagues stand up and say that’s not going to happen, because we see it as a precursor to do something else, maybe with the special counsel. And that’s not going to happen,” said Flake, who believes the Republican party abandoned its core principles and struck “a Faustian bargain” by embracing Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

“So I do think that you’re seeing more people stand up and say, ‘We’ve got to respect the institutions.’ I do think that will continue. I do sense that the Congress is reasserting itself a little more,” Flake added.

Flake acknowledged that Trump has displayed conservative instincts in his cabinet appointments, choice of Neil Gorsuch for supreme court justice and plans for regulatory and tax reform. But the senator said the president’s approach to trade is populist and his temperament unstable. “A conservative embraces our allies and recognises our enemies and the kind of chaos that has ensued in both in domestic and foreign policy is very unconservative.”

This fundamentally boils down to character, and his character is rotten.
The senator’s views echo those of other mainstream Republicans who have long resisted Trump. Eliot Cohen, a former state department counsellor to George W Bush’s secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, added: “This fundamentally boils down to character, and his character is rotten. He’s a narcissist who happens to have taken control of the Republican party.

“There’s some areas where he agrees with party orthodoxy, and some where he doesn’t,” Cohen said. “But his only doctrine is: whatever is good for Donald Trump is good for the country. When he goes down – and he will go down, at some point – one of the things that will be striking is just how quickly members of Congress will turn on him.”

Trump’s awkward marriage of convenience with Republicans has been under severe stress. He alienated conservative House members by calling their healthcare bill “mean” just days after toasting it in the White House rose garden. He was unable to successfully cajole or persuade members of the Senate to pass their own version of the legislation and attacked their failure to do so on Twitter, where he often refers to Republicans as “they” rather than “we”.

But a full divorce would leave the president politically exposed, especially as the investigations into his election campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia gather momentum.

Karl Rove, a former senior adviser to George W Bush, said: “One of the interesting things is the difficulty of Trump advocating for party loyalty. He is neither a conservative or frankly a longtime Republican. It’s one of the reasons why he won. He was able to say, ‘I’m against the political system – Republican or Democrat. I want to blow up Washington. I’ve got a giant grenade in my hand. Are you with me?’

“It does present difficulties in governing,” Rove added. “He doesn’t have the longtime relationship with people that most candidates for office have.”

It is the first time I can honestly say I don’t recognise this party and some of the people who are leading it
Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee
Nonetheless Trump has found a more receptive audience among pressure groups in the conservative movement. He retains strong connections with evangelical Christians, anti-tax adherents to the Tea Party, anti-abortion campaigners and the National Rifle Association. In April Trump became the first sitting president to address the annual NRA convention since Ronald Reagan.

Sean Hannity, a Fox News host, and Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, are among those enjoying frequent meetings and dinners at the White House. Both can bring considerable influence on the Republican party.

Speaking by phone while walking down the street, through security and into the White House for a meeting with officials, Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, said of the president: “I would argue he’s taken a more pro-conservative stand on gun rights, on home schooling, on judges than past Republican presidents. If you want to do a purity test, Reagan and Bush would not have passed on a lot of things. Trump changes the world on behalf of conservatives.”

Trump’s proposed ban on transgender troops in the military and a raft of policies on criminal justice, education and immigration have thrown red meat to his allies on the right. Despite numerous setbacks and a sense of chaos in his administration, his approval rating among conservative Republicans is holding steady.

Tom Tancredo, a former congressman in Colorado, put it bluntly: “There were two reasons I voted for him: one was he wasn’t Hillary Clinton; second was the supreme court. All else is forgiven.”

This fundamentally boils down to character, and his character is rotten. He’s a narcissist who happens to have taken control of the Republican party. There’s some areas where he agrees with party orthodoxy, and some where he doesn’t. But his only doctrine is: whatever is good for Donald Trump is good for the country.

Trump has taken conservatives back to a different era, before William F Buckley drove out the Birchers, the bigots and the antisemites. We’re now back in a different world.

When he goes down – and he will go down, at some point – one of the things that will be striking is just how quickly members of Congress will turn on him.

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Conservatism is not defined by message boarders, editorial columnists, GOP congressional staffers, or the Wall Street Journal.

I realize that there are a lot of horrified, traditionally conservative message boarders, who look up from their cappuccino-stained copies of National Review, and sadly shake their heads blurting out that Trump "is not a conservative".

National Review conservatives and message board traditional conservatives do not get to define what conservatism is.

Conservatism is defined by the people who vote and participate in America's most prominent conservative party - the GOP. These voters have made clear that modern conservatism is represented by Donald Trump....Not Ted Cruz...not Jeb Bush...Not Marco Rubio....these voters made perfectly clear that modern conservatism is based on xenophobia, racism, nihilism, misogyny, and resentment towards liberals and Democrats.
 
The republican party is dead. Trump took it over and they surrendered without a fight. Ryan has dropped top his knees and kissed the ring. Mcconnell is hiding in his cellar. Rename it a Kleptocracy, because that is what it is. They are gutless . I did not believe the Repubs would cave like that.
 
You're posting an article from last year about the #nevertrump movement? How many people have switched since this article was written?
 
Trump is not a conservative. I don’t think he has any intellectual guideposts or political ideology.
trump's ideology is simple. Make as much money off of every opportunity, by any means necessary.

As for his politics, he's ramming through ultra conservative policies, and more importantly, judges. While we concern ourselves with his incompetence, and illegal acts, a record number of incompetent, Right Wing judges are being rushed through the Senate.

It doesn't much matter what his ideology is.
 
Conservatism is not defined by message boarders, editorial columnists, GOP congressional staffers, or the Wall Street Journal.

I realize that there are a lot of horrified, traditionally conservative message boarders, who look up from their cappuccino-stained copies of National Review, and sadly shake their heads blurting out that Trump "is not a conservative".

National Review conservatives and message board traditional conservatives do not get to define what conservatism is.

Conservatism is defined by the people who vote and participate in America's most prominent conservative party - the GOP. These voters have made clear that modern conservatism is represented by Donald Trump....Not Ted Cruz...not Jeb Bush...Not Marco Rubio....these voters made perfectly clear that modern conservatism is based on xenophobia, racism, nihilism, misogyny, and resentment towards liberals and Democrats.

Actually dude this is very wrong. Conservativism is conservativism. Because the Repubkican Party elected a populist doesn't mean conservatism changed. Political party's may change but the core principles of conservatism don't. It works the same for liberalism and the Democratic Party
 
The republican party is dead. Trump took it over and they surrendered without a fight. Ryan has dropped top his knees and kissed the ring. Mcconnell is hiding in his cellar. Rename it a Kleptocracy, because that is what it is. They are gutless . I did not believe the Repubs would cave like that.

I guess we could start calling it the French Third Republican Party, just for laughs. :D
 
The republican party is dead. Trump took it over and they surrendered without a fight. Ryan has dropped top his knees and kissed the ring. Mcconnell is hiding in his cellar. Rename it a Kleptocracy, because that is what it is. They are gutless . I did not believe the Repubs would cave like that.

I actually think the National Review editorial board and the WSJ opinion page editors were kidding themselves that conservatism was somehow defined as a supply side, trickle down, Austrian school of unfettered capitalism.

No one ever bought that shit, outside of the conservative cocktail hour gossip circuit.

The conservatism of the last half century - since at least Barry Goldwater - has been largely hinged on a coalition of racial resentment, religious conservatism and bible thumping, anti-intellectualism, and nativism. The rightwing kleptocracy, the con game was probably always there, it is just out in the open now. Donald Trump, I believe, is just the crystallization, the distillation of modern conservatism in its purest and undiluted form.

To the extent our corporate overlords - who really only represent and advocate on behalf of the one percent - have been able to manipulate these primal rightwing constituencies for their own benefit is a testament to the power of money, influence, propaganda, and corruption of our democratic institutions.
 
Actually dude this is very wrong. Conservativism is conservativism. Because the Repubkican Party elected a populist doesn't mean conservatism changed. Political party's may change but the core principles of conservatism don't. It works the same for liberalism and the Democratic Party

The conservative party of the United States - the GOP - overwhelmingly nominated Donald Trump against all Republican rivals.
The fact that this version of events does not comport with your internal view that conservatism is represented by the National Review and William F. Buckley is irrelevant.
Populism has always been present in the rightwing, in American conservatism. Rightwing populism is a real thing, and it did not materialize into existence 18 months ago.
 
Actually dude this is very wrong. Conservativism is conservativism. Because the Repubkican Party elected a populist doesn't mean conservatism changed. Political party's may change but the core principles of conservatism don't. It works the same for liberalism and the Democratic Party

Can someone be neutral on abortion, climate change and gun control and still be considered a conservative?

Those seem to be at the top of the conservative totem pole but they don't push my buttons. I'm more concerned about government spending, corruption and waste, lower taxes, term limits, reduce entitlements, reduce defense spending, reform Social Security, balanced budget amendment
 
The conservative party of the United States - the GOP - overwhelmingly nominated Donald Trump against all Republican rivals.
The fact that this version of events does not comport with your internal view that conservatism is represented by the National Review and William F. Buckley is irrelevant.
Populism has always been present in the rightwing, in American conservatism. Rightwing populism is a real thing, and it did not materialize into existence 18 months ago.

The Repubkican Party and conservatism are not one and the same. Not every Repubkican is a conservative. Not every democrat is a liberal.

For example Michael Moore called Bill Clinton the best Repubkican president we've ever had. If liberalism means everything the Democratic Party does then under Clinton it meant a crime bill that put more black people in prison than any other legislation. It meant signing welfare reform. It meant capital gains tax cuts. And it meant financial deregulation for wall st. It meant federal law against gay marriage. It meant considering certain black people Superpredators.

Does liberalism mean that to you?
 
The Repubkican Party and conservatism are not one and the same. Not every Repubkican is a conservative. Not every democrat is a liberal.

For example Michael Moore called Bill Clinton the best Repubkican president we've ever had. If liberalism means everything the Democratic Party does then under Clinton it meant a crime bill that put more black people in prison than any other legislation. It meant signing welfare reform. It meant capital gains tax cuts. And it meant financial deregulation for wall st. It meant federal law against gay marriage. It meant considering certain black people Superpredators.

Does liberalism mean that to you?

I just read Encylopeida Brittanica's definition for conservatism, and I may have missed it, but I did not see anything about tax policy, trade policy, deregulation, trickle down economic, military spending, or any of the other issues that cocktail circuit Republicans imagine defines conservatism.

Conservatives, throughout history, has been tied to the themes of tradition, fealty to existing institutions, places value on stability and continuity, and resistance to change, particularly radical or revolutionary change.

Historically, conservatives were associated with pro-monarchy, counter-revolutionary forces in the wake of the French Revolution and the revolts by the proletariat and the incipient middle classes. Basically, conservatives can be considered to be the pro-British, royalist Tories of the American Revolution.

Tradtionalist, Resistance to change. Eternal hostility to change. Loyalty to traditional, historic institutions. Yep. That is, generally, very much in line with what I said, although I think I added in xenophobia and racism - which really, when you think about it, is a manifestation of conservatives hostility to change... and loyalty to historic, even archaic institutions that did not share power with traditionally under-represented groups.
 
I just read Encylopeida Brittanica's definition for conservatism, and I may have missed it, but I did not see anything about tax policy, trade policy, deregulation, trickle down economic, military spending, or any of the other issues that cocktail circuit Republicans imagine defines conservatism.

Conservatives, throughout history, has been tied to the themes of tradition, fealty to existing institutions, places value on stability and continuity, and resistance to change, particularly radical or revolutionary change.

Historically, conservatives were associated with pro-monarchy, counter-revolutionary forces in the wake of the French Revolution and the revolts by the proletariat and the incipient middle classes. Basically, conservatives can be considered to be the pro-British, royalist Tories of the American Revolution.

Tradtionalist, Resistance to change. Eternal hostility to change. Loyalty to traditional, historic institutions. Yep. That is, generally, very much in line with what I said, although I think I added in xenophobia and racism - which really, when you think about it, is a manifestation of conservatives hostility to change... and loyalty to historic, even archaic institutions that did not share power with traditionally under-represented groups.

I don't know if the dictionary has a term for American conservatism. I hesitate using Wikipedia again but I thought this paragraph sums it up pretty well:

American conservatism is a broad system of political beliefs in the United States that is characterized by respect for American traditions, republicanism, support for Judeo-Christian values,[1] moral absolutism,[2] free markets and free trade,[3][4] anti-communism,[4][5] individualism,[4] advocacy of American exceptionalism,[6] and a defense of Western culture from the perceived threats posed by socialism, authoritarianism, and moral relativism.[7]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States
 
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