"Intergenerational Injustice"

cawacko said:
Whoah, Whoah, Whoah

First off I own two properties out here so I'm not trying to lower costs so I can get a cheaper place. Because I own property doesn't mean I can/or should be able to tell everyone else F off you can't live here. That's what we used to do to keep blacks out of neighborhoods.

Here are some articles from liberal sites on the economic harm done by not building enough housing.
NIMBYs are costing the US economy billions

https://www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5901041/nimbys-are-costing-the-us-economy-billions



For this one Richard Florida is a big liberal urbanist writer in Toronto I believe is where's headquarter. He's the "leading" writer on U.S. cities.

The Urban Housing Crunch Costs the U.S. Economy About $1.6 Trillion a Year

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015...e-us-economy-about-16-trillion-a-year/393515/
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Told Ya.

All about those racist liberals keeping Blacks from owning homes in their neighborhoods.

Its why we have a housing crisis in CA.
 
cawacko said:
Living in Texas you see the exact opposite of what coastal cities do. In Texas when prices start rising developers build. People still get appreciation in their homes but overall it keeps housing prices way more affordable. That's the market in action.

In coastal areas governments and NIMBY's conspire to restrict supply.
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Well build a political coalition to defeat them then.
 
TTQ64 said:
Told Ya.

All about those racist liberals keeping Blacks from owning homes in their neighborhoods.

Its why we have a housing crisis in CA.
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Leaving aside that you live in California and have no clue how our housing market works or the economic effects of it. You support the same policy that excluded blacks and minorities from all white neighborhoods in the past but you are so dumb you don't even know it. Today it's just used to keep anyone new out.
 
Truth Detector said:
Homeowners cannot "rig" the zoning laws. That is done by the politicians. What is "rigged" in San Francisco?
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um... yeah, they can. The homeowners are the ones that elect the politicians for that area. If you vote in people that will create the zoning laws that essentially protect your area from any further development in the future, it would then be next to impossible for someone to change later. Because it would require new people moving into the area to vote new people into office, which is impossible because you aren't allowing new people in.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well build a political coalition to defeat them then.
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There's a group called YIMBY's that's doing just that. But when the people in power are home owners who benefit from the status quo it's not an easy fix. But has been stated it has huge negative ramifications economically for everyone and it has a very real racist past.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
So their supposed to sacrifice their investment so others, like you, may profit? So much for the free market and property rights. I hear these same sort of nonsense arguments about those who try to infringe upon intellectual property rights.
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Owning a property doesn't give me the right to say no one else can ever build near me. Go buy an island if that is what you want.
 
cawacko said:
You're trying to use developers as a bogey man. Coastal cities have a housing crisis (we're not talking about Iowa). And your response to the crisis is "sorry, we were here first and don't want our City to change from when I moved here 30 years ago so sucks to be you. Sorry you weren't born earlier."
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LOL There's a housing crisis across the country mostly because of shady, corrupt, thieving, lying racist businessmen like dump. They created a corrupt real estate industry for the wealthy and have been stealing from the American people ever since.

But your dumb ass wants to try to blame liberal zoning laws.

GTFOH with that dumb shit.
 
Superfreak said:
So they have to buy your property in order to build on their property? You think that is how the free market works?
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Again, if you don't like the zoning laws in a community then build a political coalition and fight them. People that live in a town, city, municipality have a right to protect the character, nature and value of their property. In that context, hell yes they have a right to tell you what you can do with your property.
 
cawacko said:
Leaving aside that you live in California and have no clue how our housing market works or the economic effects of it. You support the same policy that excluded blacks and minorities from all white neighborhoods in the past but you are so dumb you don't even know it. Today it's just used to keep anyone new out.
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I own properties in CA. No liberal zoning laws kept me from purchasing. However, I had to pay up the ass because of the corrupt RE system dump and his cohorts created.
 
cawacko said:
There's a group called YIMBY's that's doing just that. But when the people in power are home owners who benefit from the status quo it's not an easy fix. But has been stated it has huge negative ramifications economically for everyone and it has a very real racist past.
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Told Ya.

CA's liberals are just as racist as Kentucky racist rednecks..

it's the point of this entire debate.
 
TTQ64 said:
LOL There's a housing crisis across the country mostly because of shady, corrupt, thieving, lying racist businessmen like dump. They created a corrupt real estate industry for the wealthy and have been stealing from the American people ever since.

But your dumb ass wants to try to blame liberal zoning laws.

GTFOH with that dumb shit.
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cawacko said:
Whoah, Whoah, Whoah

First off I own two properties out here so I'm not trying to lower costs so I can get a cheaper place. Because I own property doesn't mean I can/or should be able to tell everyone else F off you can't live here. That's what we used to do to keep blacks out of neighborhoods.

Here are some articles from liberal sites on the economic harm done by not building enough housing.


NIMBYs are costing the US economy billions

https://www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5901041/nimbys-are-costing-the-us-economy-billions



For this one Richard Florida is a big liberal urbanist writer in Toronto I believe is where's headquarter. He's the "leading" writer on U.S. cities.

The Urban Housing Crunch Costs the U.S. Economy About $1.6 Trillion a Year

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015...e-us-economy-about-16-trillion-a-year/393515/
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I'm no liberal ideologue Wacko. I have the utmost respect for property rights. I also have a lot of respect for communities to have local control, like in education, public works, security, etc,. What you're doing is demonizing one group protecting their vested interest in their property. That's wrong. They very much have a right to do that and you have no right to expect them to sacrifice their property rights to benefit some other interest without due process of law.

It would be no different than if I wanted to build my aforementioned rendering plant next to your home or in your community. So would you be opposed to my building that rendering plant or my cement mixing plant or my lead foundry or my assembly plant? Lord knows it would be great for the American economy!
 
cawacko said:
You're trying to use developers as a bogey man. Coastal cities have a housing crisis (we're not talking about Iowa). And your response to the crisis is "sorry, we were here first and don't want our City to change from when I moved here 30 years ago so sucks to be you. Sorry you weren't born earlier."
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You also failed to address my question.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'm no liberal ideologue Wacko. I have the utmost respect for property rights. I also have a lot of respect for communities to have local control, like in education, public works, security, etc,. What you're doing is demonizing one group protecting their vested interest in their property. That's wrong. They very much have a right to do that and you have no right to expect them to sacrifice their property rights to benefit some other interest without due process of law.

It would be no different than if I wanted to build my aforementioned rendering plant next to your home or in your community. So would you be opposed to my building that rendering plant or my cement mixing plant or my lead foundry or my assembly plant? Lord knows it would be great for the American economy!
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You're creating straw men by arguing someone wants to put a cement plant in the middle of a residential neighborhood. That's not what this is about
 
Superfreak said:
You do understand that it is the NIMBY attitude that is crushing the ability to create supply?
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Do you understand that new construction of high rises in San Fransisco would only be affordable to the wealthy and not the low and middle income people that would still see no imaginary sense of "justice" even with the token rent control requirements for a percentage of units?
 
Racist wealthy white liberals are causing a housing crises in CA........even thought a lot coastal cities are run by CA republicans.

A lot of wealthy white racist republicans in this state. They ran the state almost for a decade.

Labels and ignorance will make one think CA doesn't have republicans.
 
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