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Bigdog said:
That's an interesting argument, Frank. But that law is speaking specifically to Jews. It makes no reference to Christians, or Christians Not being able to enslave Jews. But, even the Jews don't obey all of Leviticus anymore.
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I've heard that argument...but it leaves the possibility that the god Jesus worshiped is saying that Jews can own slaves. And if Jews can own slaves, why not Gentiles?

The god of the Old Testament is totally okay with slavery. The words I cited were supposedly uttered to the ancient Hebrews during their supposed escape from slavery in Egypt. So it is a fairly forceful comment.


I think the Good Samaritan story in Luke ... teaches us that all men are brothers, equals in the eyes of God.
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Okay. BUT: put Luke aside for a moment and listen to Paul...and see if you think Paul thought slavery was okay or not (from the NEW Testament).

"All under the yoke of slavery must regard their masters as worthy of full respect...Those slaves whose masters are brothers in the faith must not take liberties with them on that account. they must perform their tasks even more faithfully, since those who will profit from their work are believers and beloved brothers." 1 Timothy 6:1ff


"To slaves I say, obey your human masters perfectly, not with the purpose of attracting attention and pleasing men, but in all sincerity and our of reverence for the Lord." Colossians 3:22


"You slave owners, deal justly and fairly with your slaves..." Colossians 4:1




"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters. They should try to please them in every way, not contradicting them nor stealing from them, but expressing a constant fidelity by their conduct, so as to adorn in every way possible the doctrine of God our Savior." Titus 2:9



"The general rule is that each one should lead the life the Lord has assigned him, continuing as he was when the Lord called him...Were you a slave when your call came? Give it no thought. Even supposing you could go free, you would be better off making the most of your slavery...." 1 Corinthians 7:17ff


In the Epistle, Philemon, Paul returns a slave (Onesimus) to his master (Philemon) and tells Philemon that although he (Paul) feels he has the right to command Philemon to free Onesimus, he would not do that, but would instead appeal to Philemon to do it on his own.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I've heard that argument...but it leaves the possibility that the god Jesus worshiped is saying that Jews can own slaves. And if Jews can own slaves, why not Gentiles?

The god of the Old Testament is totally okay with slavery. The words I cited were supposedly uttered to the ancient Hebrews during their supposed escape from slavery in Egypt. So it is a fairly forceful comment.




Okay. BUT: put Luke aside for a moment and listen to Paul...and see if you think Paul thought slavery was okay or not (from the NEW Testament).

"All under the yoke of slavery must regard their masters as worthy of full respect...Those slaves whose masters are brothers in the faith must not take liberties with them on that account. they must perform their tasks even more faithfully, since those who will profit from their work are believers and beloved brothers." 1 Timothy 6:1ff


"To slaves I say, obey your human masters perfectly, not with the purpose of attracting attention and pleasing men, but in all sincerity and our of reverence for the Lord." Colossians 3:22


"You slave owners, deal justly and fairly with your slaves..." Colossians 4:1




"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters. They should try to please them in every way, not contradicting them nor stealing from them, but expressing a constant fidelity by their conduct, so as to adorn in every way possible the doctrine of God our Savior." Titus 2:9



"The general rule is that each one should lead the life the Lord has assigned him, continuing as he was when the Lord called him...Were you a slave when your call came? Give it no thought. Even supposing you could go free, you would be better off making the most of your slavery...." 1 Corinthians 7:17ff


In the Epistle, Philemon, Paul returns a slave (Onesimus) to his master (Philemon) and tells Philemon that although he (Paul) feels he has the right to command Philemon to free Onesimus, he would not do that, but would instead appeal to Philemon to do it on his own.
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I am familiar with that argument.

1. If Paul called for a slave revolt, the slaves would fail and be slaughtered.

2. There weren't a lot of jobs back then ... so slavery was actually a good gig to some.

3. I think Paul was preaching pacifist protesting mostly in the form ... of proving you are not a subhuman, but with out raising ire ... but instead, earning respect.


Why not gentiles? ... can gentiles own other gentiles? ... would a Jew owning a gentile be against the law. The matter is not clear at all.
 
Bigdog said:
I am familiar with that argument.

1. If Paul called for a slave revolt, the slaves would fail and be slaughtered.
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So...you are saying that Paul not only did not call for a revolt...he actually gave slaves advice to be a slavish as possible???

C'mon.

2. There weren't a lot of jobs back then ... so slavery was actually a good gig to some.
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Some things don't deserve the dignity of a response.

3. I think Paul was preaching pacifist protesting mostly in the form ... of proving you are not a subhuman, but with out raising ire ... but instead, earning respect.
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You are allowed to "think" that.

I'm reading the words...and the words indicate that Paul was okay with the institution of slavery...which is understandable BECAUSE THE GOD HE AND JESUS WORSHIPED TOLD THEM IT WAS FINE WITH HIM.


Why not gentiles? ... can gentiles own other gentiles? ... would a Jew owning a gentile be against the law. The matter is not clear at all.
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Well, maybe the god of the Bible didn't think there would come a time where its words would enslave a people outside of the middle east.
 
Yaya said:
The people who founded this nation.

The only class of people today whom it is okay to be racist and sexist and ageist against.
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Go read your real history. Take a look at the lost Roanoke colony and Jamestown. The euros were clearly not sending their best. Idiotic "professionals" who had no clue how to survive. They ate ther dogs, horses and each other once they pissed off the natives to the extent where the natives no longer provided the savages with handouts.

Genocidal slaver savages is what Europe sent; folks who brought scalping to the americas, losers who could not make it in their own self-trashed lands.
 
Bigdog said:
I am familiar with that argument.

1. If Paul called for a slave revolt, the slaves would fail and be slaughtered.

2. There weren't a lot of jobs back then ... so slavery was actually a good gig to some.

3. I think Paul was preaching pacifist protesting mostly in the form ... of proving you are not a subhuman, but with out raising ire ... but instead, earning respect.


Why not gentiles? ... can gentiles own other gentiles? ... would a Jew owning a gentile be against the law. The matter is not clear at all.
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Why do you hate yourself for being black?

Is it because your ancestors didn't thing being slaves was a 'good gig'?

Or is it your lifelong alcoholism?
 
Fentoine Lum said:
In ancient times, the two points marked the limit to the known world, a myth originally fostered by the Greeks and the Phoenicians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_of_Gibraltar

Like your other myths.
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I was once refused entry onto the rock but was refused entry by the bloody british so I went under it. reason I was denied entry: insufficient funds. true story. A friend of mine with me who was a british citizen was also denied entry.
 
Liberalavenger said:
I was once refused entry onto the rock but was refused entry by the bloody british so I went under it. reason I was denied entry: insufficient funds. true story. A friend of mine with me who was a british citizen was also denied entry.
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Never had any interest myself. Foul, but that is the euro/colonial/capitalist view of the natural world and "ownership" of things here millennia before any of us ever were.
 
Irish said:
The only people who follow societal rules, and don't make excuses. And thus are successful.
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I notice you signature you group whites and jews together as not included. that doesn't fly nor your victimhood screed ,thats the white christian delusions We Jews are overwhelmingly leftist / liberal and have nothing in common with you white christer peckerwoods no matter how you may try to make it so, it the education thingy

history

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-voting-record-in-u-s-presidential-elections
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Never had any interest myself. Foul, but that is the euro/colonial/capitalist view of the natural world and "ownership" of things here millennia before any of us ever were.
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My british friend and I walked for miles across which could be described as a moon landscape to get there.
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Old or otherwise white men are afraid of becoming a minority because they fear the new majority will treat them as they have always treated minorities.
 
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