A Civil Discussion: Evolution, Science, Theology, Atheism, Climate

Demanding proof of God that one knows can't be provided is really being stupid. The difference is when I can't provide the type proof that person wants, they use it as a way to say God doesn't exist. However, when they can't provide the type proof I want, I'm still expected to believe what they call facts despite the possibility that something, by definition, that is indisputable can be disputed.
What are you calling disputable?
 
The current rapid warming trend is being largely caused by human activities and emissions of GHGs, and this is known with a very high degree of scientific confidence.

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Well actually what little fossil evidence we do have of transitional species provides profound evidence of their common descent. Look at the difference between the hip structure and spinal column of a chimpanzee, australiopithicus aferensis and modern humans.

The chimps hip is narrower in width and oriented in a more horizontal plane and the spinal column is completely devoid of lordotic curves, in fact it's one sweeping kyphosis. This is indicative of the chimps being a quadraped and not a true biped.

Australiopithicus Aferenis hips is more vertically oriented, though not completely vertical, and broader than a chimps. Aferensis also has lordotic curves in the lumbar and cervical regions of the spinal column. Strong evidence that Aferensis was mostly bipedal, then compare to a modern humans with our broad and vertically oriented hips and pronounced lordotic spinal curves.

Aferensis thus provides a compelling example of a transitional species. Not quite ape, not quite hominid yet sharing large numbers of anatomical homologies shared by all three species. Now from a theoretical standpoint how do you explain the existence of this transitional species that is neither ape nor human but remarkably similar to both? Well common descent easily explains that phenomena. Ergo Aferensis is very compelling supporting evidence for common descent. Can you provide a better scientific explanation?

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Hello Darth,



All we are is the dominate species on the planet. But are we really so advanced? We can't even control our own populations, even though we all know the Earth will not support an infinite number of humans. We understand how large our planet is, we know we have already populated all the easiest and most hospitable locations for humans, the most desirable locations containing millions of individuals, yet still we keep churning out more and more humans.

If you ask a non-prompted question of 100 humans. No, make that one thousand humans:

"What does the world really need the most?"

I doubt a single one would answer:

'Oh, that's easy. We just need more humans on the planet.'

We can't even get organized or have any type of common authority. We have divided ourselves into nations and religions, and we are constantly fighting wars. And we call ourselves advanced? How absurd.

We are using up resources faster than we ever thought. The easy ones are all gone, so we continue to expend greater amounts of energy trying to get at the ones which are more difficult to extract. But do we ever stop, take a step back, and wonder if we should be doing this?

We could have it so freaking nice here on this amazing planet, but instead we are very greedy and hoarding of the things we value.

We are polluting the planet faster than we could ever hope to clean it up. Beaches everywhere are littered with floating plastic and human debris but we never stop to think all that stuff wasn't there 50 years ago. We know our water aquifers are pristine and irreplaceable, but that doesn't stop us from fracking nearby or injecting waste fluids underground.

The middle of every ocean is now full of floating plastic bits which gradually break down into micro pieces which absorb oils, microbes and bacteria and finally sink to depths where the stuff is eaten by plankton. Those plankton form the basis of the ocean food chain. They are eaten by predators which are eaten by larger predators and finally end up in fish we consume. No studies have been done to even decide if we want to be doing this.

Capitalism drives inhuman corporations which outlive humans to come up with all kinds of new chemicals never studied for safety and exposure to humans, and also to use crony capitalism to make sure those studies are never performed, even prevented by law, then these chemicals are placed into products marketed as safe. but we don't really know if they are safe or not or what long-term effects might occur.

Capitalism has decided we should be a throw-away disposable society. We make tons of products which are used to extract the wealth of common people for these inhuman corporations just so a very few individuals can have an absurdly opulent lifestyle not available to most of the workers who produce those products. These products are often designed to wear out and become useless within a relatively short period of time, and then simply be tossed into giant piles of refuse we call 'landfills.' We do our best to prevent nasty stuff from leaching out of these giant trash piles, but ultimately the Earth will claim it all and drinking water supplies will be affected. We burn up fossil fuels creating the short-life products, delivering them to consumers, and then removing the discarded debris to take it to the landfill. And that's by design. Not by design is all the junk which ends up in the oceans and the marine food chain.

And we have the nerve to call ourselves advanced as other species are doing none of this?

Ya know, it all depends on what metric you want to use if you want to think of humans as 'unique among even the higher animals.'

Yeah. We are unique alright. Whether or not that is a good thing is debatable.

Even if you say: is it at least good for humans?

We have wiped out many species which we later have learned were actually good for us.

Seen any Carolina Parakeets lately? How about the Great Auk?

Don’t you think it’s arrogant to call man the dominant species on the planet? I’d say trees are the dominant terrestrial species. Particularly in terms of dominating and affecting our environment. Birds, insects, bats all exceed humans in sheer numbers.

That’s not even considering aquatic life, considering water covers 75% of the planet doesn’t it stand to reason the dominant species on the planet lives in our oceans?
 
Demanding proof of God that one knows can't be provided is really being stupid. The difference is when I can't provide the type proof that person wants, they use it as a way to say God doesn't exist. However, when they can't provide the type proof I want, I'm still expected to believe what they call facts despite the possibility that something, by definition, that is indisputable can be disputed.

giphy.gif
 
Hello Darth,



All we are is the dominate species on the planet. But are we really so advanced? We can't even control our own populations, even though we all know the Earth will not support an infinite number of humans. We understand how large our planet is, we know we have already populated all the easiest and most hospitable locations for humans, the most desirable locations containing millions of individuals, yet still we keep churning out more and more humans.

If you ask a non-prompted question of 100 humans. No, make that one thousand humans:

"What does the world really need the most?"

I doubt a single one would answer:

'Oh, that's easy. We just need more humans on the planet.'

We can't even get organized or have any type of common authority. We have divided ourselves into nations and religions, and we are constantly fighting wars. And we call ourselves advanced? How absurd.

We are using up resources faster than we ever thought. The easy ones are all gone, so we continue to expend greater amounts of energy trying to get at the ones which are more difficult to extract. But do we ever stop, take a step back, and wonder if we should be doing this?

We could have it so freaking nice here on this amazing planet, but instead we are very greedy and hoarding of the things we value.

We are polluting the planet faster than we could ever hope to clean it up. Beaches everywhere are littered with floating plastic and human debris but we never stop to think all that stuff wasn't there 50 years ago. We know our water aquifers are pristine and irreplaceable, but that doesn't stop us from fracking nearby or injecting waste fluids underground.

The middle of every ocean is now full of floating plastic bits which gradually break down into micro pieces which absorb oils, microbes and bacteria and finally sink to depths where the stuff is eaten by plankton. Those plankton form the basis of the ocean food chain. They are eaten by predators which are eaten by larger predators and finally end up in fish we consume. No studies have been done to even decide if we want to be doing this.

Capitalism drives inhuman corporations which outlive humans to come up with all kinds of new chemicals never studied for safety and exposure to humans, and also to use crony capitalism to make sure those studies are never performed, even prevented by law, then these chemicals are placed into products marketed as safe. but we don't really know if they are safe or not or what long-term effects might occur.

Capitalism has decided we should be a throw-away disposable society. We make tons of products which are used to extract the wealth of common people for these inhuman corporations just so a very few individuals can have an absurdly opulent lifestyle not available to most of the workers who produce those products. These products are often designed to wear out and become useless within a relatively short period of time, and then simply be tossed into giant piles of refuse we call 'landfills.' We do our best to prevent nasty stuff from leaching out of these giant trash piles, but ultimately the Earth will claim it all and drinking water supplies will be affected. We burn up fossil fuels creating the short-life products, delivering them to consumers, and then removing the discarded debris to take it to the landfill. And that's by design. Not by design is all the junk which ends up in the oceans and the marine food chain.

And we have the nerve to call ourselves advanced as other species are doing none of this?

Ya know, it all depends on what metric you want to use if you want to think of humans as 'unique among even the higher animals.'

Yeah. We are unique alright. Whether or not that is a good thing is debatable.

Even if you say: is it at least good for humans?

We have wiped out many species which we later have learned were actually good for us.

Seen any Carolina Parakeets lately? How about the Great Auk?

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C'mon, Darth - you're off the rails here.

Why is it important to you to believe man is "special" somehow? We're just one step in evolution - we happen to be dominating right now, but the period of time we have had that status is absolutely miniscule compared to other species in other eras.

lol.....you think dolphins are headed to Mars and you say he's off the rails?.....
 
Don’t you think it’s arrogant to call man the dominant species on the planet? I’d say trees are the dominant terrestrial species. Particularly in terms of dominating and affecting our environment. Birds, insects, bats all exceed humans in sheer numbers.

That’s not even considering aquatic life, considering water covers 75% of the planet doesn’t it stand to reason the dominant species on the planet lives in our oceans?

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Hello Mott,

I've enjoyed your comments in this Topic.

Don’t you think it’s arrogant to call man the dominant species on the planet? I’d say trees are the dominant terrestrial species. Particularly in terms of dominating and affecting our environment. Birds, insects, bats all exceed humans in sheer numbers.

That’s not even considering aquatic life, considering water covers 75% of the planet doesn’t it stand to reason the dominant species on the planet lives in our oceans?

Maybe that part was a stretch.

I could say we think we are the dominate species.
 
Don’t you think it’s arrogant to call man the dominant species on the planet? I’d say trees are the dominant terrestrial species. Particularly in terms of dominating and affecting our environment. Birds, insects, bats all exceed humans in sheer numbers.

That’s not even considering aquatic life, considering water covers 75% of the planet doesn’t it stand to reason the dominant species on the planet lives in our oceans?

And on them......
 
The OP asked for civil discussion.

The usual suspects just couldn't to it. One thread out of thousands - and they just couldn't do it.

Awww....snowflake. Do you need some help leaving the forum? Or, are you going to continue to just be a big cry baby?

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