The South is changing. That should worry Republicans in 2018

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Guno צְבִי

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The South has long been the most solidly conservative region in the nation, and its voters are a principal reason why Trump won the presidency. Of the 11 Southern states surveyed in the new NBC News poll, 10 voted for Trump in 2016, many by double-digit margins.

But the poll suggests that the Southern voters who showed up in 2016 are not necessarily representative of the region’s rapidly changing views. A majority of respondents said they supported same-sex marriage, legal status for undocumented immigrants and higher taxes for education and infrastructure. And many are cooling on Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-changing-should-worry-republicans-2018-n865246
 
guno said:
The South has long been the most solidly conservative region in the nation, and its voters are a principal reason why Trump won the presidency. Of the 11 Southern states surveyed in the new NBC News poll, 10 voted for Trump in 2016, many by double-digit margins.

But the poll suggests that the Southern voters who showed up in 2016 are not necessarily representative of the region’s rapidly changing views. A majority of respondents said they supported same-sex marriage, legal status for undocumented immigrants and higher taxes for education and infrastructure. And many are cooling on Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-changing-should-worry-republicans-2018-n865246
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If the south has always been so conservative, why did it vote for the most left-wing presidential candidates from the 1890s through the 1970s?
 
Threedee said:
If the south has always been so conservative, why did it vote for the most left-wing presidential candidates from the 1890s through the 1970s?
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Populism.

Also too, almost the entire nation voted for FDR, not just the south.

The south was, and always has been fine with populism. As long as white people were benefiting from it. Southerners have to thank Franklin Roosevelt for bringing the south out the lower medieval era and into the technologically modern 20th century.

To this day, a lot of Trump-loving southern white rednecks are on food stamps and disability.

When liberals started including civil rights with their quasi-populist milieu, that is when they lost the south. I believe this is well known, historical information available to everyone.

The south has been voting virtually solid republican your entire life, as well as for the last half century. There is no amount of time-traveling back a century that is going to change the fact conservative southerners and Trumpanzees are the modern Republican party. We are all basing our voting choices on what the two major parties are today.
 
The south is changing because so many northerners are moving to the area. The hottest job markets and fastest growing cities are in the south and west. So I know it's fashionable among the "open minded and tolerant" set to bash the South it's funny so many people are choosing to move there.
 
cawacko said:
The south is changing because so many northerners are moving to the area. The hottest job markets and fastest growing cities are in the south and west. So I know it's fashionable among the "open minded and tolerant" set to bash the South it's funny so many people are choosing to move there.
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Lot's of good people in the south.
I have met plenty of racists in the north, particularly the rural north
Don't particularly like the hot ass, humid weather, or the plethora of venomous snakes, but I supposed it beats a winter in Buffalo, New York.


The dark history, their inability to acknowledge or atone for it, and the worship of the Confederacy are just ridiculous and invite scorn and ridicule.

And let's face it: mocking the south for being fat, out of shape, and under-educated is just good clean, all-American fun.
 
Cypress said:
Lot's of good people in the south.
I have met plenty of racists in the north, particularly the rural north
Don't particularly like the hot ass, humid weather, or the plethora of venomous snakes, but I supposed it beats a winter in Buffalo, New York.


The dark history, their inability to acknowledge or atone for it, and the worship of the Confederacy are just ridiculous and invite scorn and ridicule.

And let's face it: mocking the south for being fat, out of shape, and under-educated is just good clean, all-American fun.
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I die in the heat and humidity. San Francisco to me has the absolute perfect climate. My dad lived in Charleston S.C. until he was ten and didn't have A.C. I've heard him talk about trying to sleep at night laying on top of his sheets and just how stifling it was. No Thank You!!!
 
You get used to the heat. The humidity, well, that will kill you :cool:

The mid-Atlantic isn't horrible--north enough to have a proper winter, south enough to have common sense.

When I used to live way further north, I would wear shorts in the south in winter because it seemed so warm when you come from a single digit week to a 50 degree day.
 
cawacko said:
I die in the heat and humidity. San Francisco to me has the absolute perfect climate. My dad lived in Charleston S.C. until he was ten and didn't have A.C. I've heard him talk about trying to sleep at night laying on top of his sheets and just how stifling it was. No Thank You!!!
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San Fran = mucho mas Bueno.

Me too....I like it on the cool-ish side, and my temperature sweet spot is between 65 to 70 F. I do not mind some fog either.

Living in New Orleans was more fun than a barrel of monkeys, but I will never miss that sweaty, humid, mosquito-infested Gulf Coast weather.

Loved the creole grub and daiquiris though...Laissez le bon temps rouler!
 
Threedee said:
Back then, urban machines—such as Tammany Hall—were quite sophisticated in their corruption of the political and economic system.
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Local scale, versus the entire system representing not "the people" but rathr the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class? No, Citizens United made money the thing, not any vote.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Local scale, versus the entire system representing not "the people" but rathr the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class? No, Citizens United made money the thing, not any vote.
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Technically, all that CU did was reaffirm the SCOTUS' previous rulings on the subject of political speech. It had been very recently that we started passing campaign finance laws. But, you're probably right that the political machines of old merely held dominion within a geographical area, and thus corruption was not organized nationally in quite the same manner as today.
 
Threedee said:
Technically, all that CU did was reaffirm the SCOTUS' previous rulings on the subject of political speech. It had been very recently that we started passing campaign finance laws. But, you're probably right that the political machines of old merely held dominion within a geographical area, and thus corruption was not organized nationally in quite the same manner as today.
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It is the very fabric that holds the system together at this point; corruption and maintaining the illusion otherwise. And all this Russia nonsense, Stormy, Dems suing, division of the masses stuff is just obfuscation, distraction and chaotic smoke and mirrors to trigger feckless rubbernecking amongst the population rather than a focused resistance.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
It is the very fabric that holds the system together at this point; corruption and maintaining the illusion otherwise. And all this Russia nonsense, Stormy, Dems suing, division of the masses stuff is just obfuscation, distraction and chaotic smoke and mirrors to trigger feckless rubbernecking amongst the population rather than a focused resistance.
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Your ideology died in 1991.
 
Threedee said:
Your ideology died in 1991.
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Sure, go with that then. Your system is what it is, and that's why we have to export our "way of life" via endless pre-emptive wars of occupation and global violence, having been at war for 93% of the time we've been a nation.
 
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