Do you trust Arabs/Muslims After 9-11?

[kudzu]

No and I have no intention of doing so either. It is great to see Saudi Arabia is finally waking up and opening up to the world. I hope that the Crown Prince is sincere when saying that he wants to rid the world of Islamic terrorism.

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Both Abdullah and Salman were reformers (and very good men).. but change is slow in KSA.. Leadership floats an idea and waits for the people to catch up.. Its been that way since Ibn Saud introduced the radio.

The momentum is there now for the Deputy Crown Prince's reforms. Most Saudis are under 50.. They have made huge strides in healthcare and education...The influence of the aged clergy has waned .. while better educated younger men have a voice in religious life. I am very optimistic..

 

[PraiseKek]

WikiIslam is a crappy source and most Muslims would laugh at you over the 72 virgins nonsense. Most Hadiths are not authenticated.

Its like the tomb of mother Eve.. I reacted with surprise and the ladies began to giggle.

They know the difference between myth and fact...

They directly quote the Hadith you stupid fuck, the primary sources are Islamic sources, the 72 virgins are referenced in the Jami` at-Tirmidhi of the Kutub al-Sittah and it is authenticated so spare us your taqiyya bullshit you rapefugee fuck.

 

[PraiseKek]

Anyone who knows anything about Islam or Muslims or the Arab world knows wikiIslam is a propaganda site.

Have you even lived in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Libya or Lebanon or Qatar or Bahrain? Have you ever traveled to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan or Egypt?

Are you a discriminating person or a fool?

We are directly quoting the Hadiths you taqiyya spouting rapefugee POS, kill yourself.

 

[PraiseKek]

Both Abdullah and Salman (and very good men).

No they weren't they were Wahhabist fundamentalists you laughable fuck.

 

[christiefan915]

The Hadiths are authoritative books in Islam and are accepted as such in all 5 main schools of Islamic fiqh from your own source you ignorant cunt:

Within Sunni Islam the authority of Ḥadīth ranks inferior only to the Qur'an as a legal source.

In the Sunni branch of Islam, the canonical hadith collections are the six books, of which Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim generally have the highest status. The other books of hadith are Sunan Abu Dawood, Jami` at-Tirmidhi, Al-Sunan al-Sughra and Sunan ibn Majah. However the Malikis, one of the four Sunni "schools of thought" (madhhabs), traditionally reject Sunan ibn Majah and assert the canonical status of Muwatta Imam Malik.
In the Twelver Shi'a branch of Islam, the canonical hadith collections are the Four Books: Kitab al-Kafi, Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih, Tahdhib al-Ahkam, and Al-Istibsar.

So like I said you are disingenuous scum bags who are intentionally ignoring the 2nd most important source for Islamic jurisprudence and doctrine.

Talk about disingenuous. If the different offshoots have different interpretations how can you say one or the other is the only real interpretation?

Which of these denominations has the real interpretation of Christianity? Presbyterian, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutheran, Anglican, Baptist.

 

[christiefan915]

In other words, the radicals aren’t making it up lol.

Radical Muslims have a very carnal religion—to use the term ‘religion’ very loosely.

The radicals are perverting the teachings toward their own ends. Just like the disgusting Kek supports Anders Breivik for over 70 murders. No sane person would call that a moral act.

 

[christiefan915]

The hadiths mention virgins.

Whilst there are many references to be found in the Qur'an and other Islamic scriptures referring to the general concept of virgins in heaven, many people are under the misconception that there is only one weak reference to the specific number of 72 virgins. These narrations are in fact found in many hadith collections with varying levels of authenticity.

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Authenticity_of_72_Virgins_Hadith

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A Muslim's response to the 72 virgins story.

 

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[Gotcha68]

Ignorance is an ugly thing. It isn't hard to realize who are the readers on this forum and who are the listeners to what ever the hell anyone else has to say about any given topic and thus never check for themselves. The more stupid some are the more eager they are to prove it to everyone.

 

[christiefan915]

What about Raw Story?

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I try to verify what they write from other sites.

 

[kudzu]

No they weren't they were Wahhabist fundamentalists you laughable fuck.

I have known both of them since they were young men.. and they are very skilled at governance.. having trained up thru various ministries.. and they are dead level serious about the future of the Saudi people .. They see their role as safeguarding the social and economic futures of the Saudi people.. It sure would be great if American politicians thought that way.

You're pretty ignorant and belligerent.. Do you have any education?

 

[kudzu]

The radicals are perverting the teachings toward their own ends. Just like the disgusting Kek supports Anders Breivik for over 70 murders. No sane person would call that a moral act.

I'd forgotten that Kek praised mass murderer Ander Breivik.. That is very sick? No red flags on this sort of insane hate?

 

[christiefan915]

I'd forgotten that Kek praised mass murderer Ander Breivik.. That is very sick? No red flags on this sort of insane hate?

He is sick. He's used this phrase in his posts a number of times. je suis Breivik!

 

[PraiseKek]

Talk about disingenuous. If the different offshoots have different interpretations how can you say one or the other is the only real interpretation?

What don't you understand about the word "canonical"?

 

[PraiseKek]

I have known both of them since they were young men.. and they are very skilled at governance..

They are wahhabist scum gfys.

having trained up thru various ministries.. and they are dead level serious about the future of the Saudi people .. They see their role as safeguarding the social and economic futures of the Saudi people.. It sure would be great if American politicians thought that way.

You're pretty ignorant and belligerent.. Do you have any education?

Oh you're Margot the wahhabist mouthpiece who claims Saudi Arabia has freedom of religion for Christians. Yes it is just too bad that American politicians aren't unelected absolute monarchs!

 

[zappasguitar]

Of course. Do you trust Americans after the Mandalay Bay massacre?

Well now, that's different.

 

[PraiseKek]

Typical revisionist Muslim Taqiyya bullshit. The largest genocide in world history was perpetrated by the Muslims against the Hindus and Buddhists of the Indian subcontinent (80 million) there was no genocide of native Americans in the Americas they died from the unintentional introduction of old world diseases for which they had no immunities, and the Muslim slave trade was longer in duration and greater in scale than the trans-atlantic slave trade.

Islam teaches gender equality? You are literally retarded:

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded…
Qur'an 4:34

And that's just for Muslim women, for infidel captives, they are nothing but sex slaves:

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded…
Qur'an 4:34

Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you.
Qur'an 4:24

Those who humble themselves in their prayers; Who avoid vain talk; Who are active in deeds of charity; Who abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame.
Qur'an 23:6

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;
Qur'an 33:50



And that's just from the Koran, the Hadiths promote every thing from gender segregation to lesser inheritance.

 

[zappasguitar]

It’s what the radicals teach.

Deal with it.

One word "taqiyya".

They don't consider it suicide they consider it martyrdom you truther faggot.


Muslims have no place in the west period.

Disingenuous B.S., the Koran is not the only authoritative text in Islam, it's in the Hadiths asshole.

I find it adorable that a few so called "enlightened" souls who have read a few articles on the interwebs, presume to tell lifelong practitioners of Islam how to interpret the Quran.

 

[zappasguitar]

Your exegesis gets 10 Pinocchios. It would be a pleasant change if you guys actually learned about Islam from Muslims instead of Christian bigot sites.

Top ten ways Islamic law forbids terrorism.

Astounding isn't it that these angry, impotent old men presume to tell lifelong practitioners of Islam how to interpret the Quran.

The arrogance is breathtaking.