Simple solutions to school shootings

Taichiliberal

Taichiliberal

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Okay, listen up NRA flunkies and republican/conservative wonks. To prevent shootings like what recently happened in Florida, you do the following:

1. Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. Had this been in place, Cruz would NOT have had an AR-15 in his possession.

2. Treat ALL weapons like an automobile. This means that they have to be licensed and registered, and the owner has to pass a written and physical competency test. This will severely cut down on the trafficking of illegal gun sales and greatly assist in the tracking of guns used in a crime.

Got that?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Okay, listen up NRA flunkies and republican/conservative wonks. To prevent shootings like what recently happened in Florida, you do the following:

1. Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. Had this been in place, Cruz would NOT have had an AR-15 in his possession.

2. Treat ALL weapons like an automobile. This means that they have to be licensed and registered, and the owner has to pass a written and physical competency test. This will severely cut down on the trafficking of illegal gun sales and greatly assist in the tracking of guns used in a crime.

Got that?
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You got to be kidding!That infringes on gun nuts second amendment rights!
The founding fathers wanted all Americans to have an assault rifle!
 
Taichiliberal said:
Okay, listen up NRA flunkies and republican/conservative wonks. To prevent shootings like what recently happened in Florida, you do the following:

1. Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. Had this been in place, Cruz would NOT have had an AR-15 in his possession.

2. Treat ALL weapons like an automobile. This means that they have to be licensed and registered, and the owner has to pass a written and physical competency test. This will severely cut down on the trafficking of illegal gun sales and greatly assist in the tracking of guns used in a crime.

Got that?
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first thing you have to do to implement those is to confiscate or retrieve all of those currently in existence. please try that.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
first thing you have to do to implement those is to confiscate or retrieve all of those currently in existence. please try that.
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No, you don't. Because the Assault Weapons Ban did NOT affect those who legally purchased said weapons prior to the law going into effect. Cruz had purchased his weapon AFTER the law expired and the Party of NO did NOT renew it under the Shrub or Obama.
 
Taichiliberal said:
No, you don't. Because the Assault Weapons Ban did NOT affect those who legally purchased said weapons prior to the law going into effect. Cruz had purchased his weapon AFTER the law expired and the Party of NO did NOT renew it under the Shrub or Obama.
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the first AW ban was ineffectual because simple cosmetic changes to the weapons made them perfectly legal. so with that in mind, propose what your AW ban would look like.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the first AW ban was ineffectual because simple cosmetic changes to the weapons made them perfectly legal. so with that in mind, propose what your AW ban would look like.
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So let me get this straight.....you're against a ban on assault weapons as they are manufactured like the AR-15 because a bunch of yahoos can convert other weapons to a similar status?

Well then guess what? Merely ban those conversion "kits" gunners were putting out on e-bay and such...as their intent is to construct an ILLEGAL (if the law was in effect) weapon. Now don't waste my time with some BS about innocent kits, because I do recall the sales of specific tools were being put out....and if it's so damned easy to do, then the average gunner wouldn't need to buy a kit off the 'net. Same goes for the bump stocks.

But I digress...do you agree that if the law was in place, then Cruz would NOT had this weapon?
 
Taichiliberal said:
So let me get this straight.....you're against a ban on assault weapons as they are manufactured like the AR-15 because a bunch of yahoos can convert other weapons to a similar status?

Well then guess what? Merely ban those conversion "kits" gunners were putting out on e-bay and such...as their intent is to construct an ILLEGAL (if the law was in effect) weapon. Now don't waste my time with some BS about innocent kits, because I do recall the sales of specific tools were being put out....and if it's so damned easy to do, then the average gunner wouldn't need to buy a kit off the 'net. Same goes for the bump stocks.
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first off, you need to get your facts straight. these weren't 'kits' by individuals, these were changes made on the manufacturing level by the gun makers. secondly, all you're doing now is whining about workarounds that you didn't see, so i'll ask again, propose your AW ban that will be effective.

Taichiliberal said:
But I digress...do you agree that if the law was in place, then Cruz would NOT had this weapon?
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no, i do not agree, because there are millions of AR15s of all sorts out in circulation as we speak.
 
Mason said:
So you have no problem with mass murders of children to continue.
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Fewer die every year, so the current system is just fine. In fact there is a inverse correlation between the popularity of sporting rifles and violent crime in general.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
first off, you need to get your facts straight. these weren't 'kits' by individuals, these were changes made on the manufacturing level by the gun makers. secondly, all you're doing now is whining about workarounds that you didn't see, so i'll ask again, propose your AW ban that will be effective.

Taichiliberal responds: First off, you crow about an slight error....yes, there were kits made by manufacturers.. there were also ones made by individuals via internet instruct vids, etc. It's not whining when you point out how people try to skirt the law on any level....just remember how this gov't cracked down on manufacturers and promoters who were selling various types of drugs and stimulants that gave the same or near effect of illegal drugs. I already gave you the answer....you just don't like it and will throw out any and all permutations of a question I already answered. The result will be the same.
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
But I digress...do you agree that if the law was in place, then Cruz would NOT had this weapon?
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no, i do not agree, because there are millions of AR15s of all sorts out in circulation as we speak.
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Yes, but none of them were owned by Cruz prior to his personal purchase. He didn't borrow or steal his AR-15, nor was it given to him as a gift. HE LEGALLY PURCHASED IT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. So my first point on the OP stands.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Yes, but none of them were owned by Cruz prior to his personal purchase. He didn't borrow or steal his AR-15, nor was it given to him as a gift. HE LEGALLY PURCHASED IT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. So my first point on the OP stands.
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there are two types of sales. one from an FFL through which those weapons are bought from manufacturers, and two, from an individual in private sales. so your point doesn't stand. both sales are legal.
 
Taichiliberal said:
So let me get this straight.....you're against a ban on assault weapons as they are manufactured like the AR-15 because a bunch of yahoos can convert other weapons to a similar status?

Well then guess what? Merely ban those conversion "kits" gunners were putting out on e-bay and such...as their intent is to construct an ILLEGAL (if the law was in effect) weapon. Now don't waste my time with some BS about innocent kits, because I do recall the sales of specific tools were being put out....and if it's so damned easy to do, then the average gunner wouldn't need to buy a kit off the 'net. Same goes for the bump stocks.

But I digress...do you agree that if the law was in place, then Cruz would NOT had this weapon?
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First....the Fla. shooter did not have a modified AR15....it was a semi automatic rifle like hundreds of other semi autos made by numerous manufactures....most used for hunting....none are automatic and look as scary as an AR ....incidentally....
The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle.....the AR 15 just looks like an assault rifle...it don't work like a typical military assault weapon...

I agree that kits manufactured to modify any rifle to work like a military assault weapon should be illegal.....same goes for bump stocks...
If the law you want was in place this nut would not have able to simply buy the gun in a gun shop, true.....he actually had several 'mean looking' weapons, none were real assault weapons....

Quite simply, if the FBI and/or local police would have done the jobs, the murders would have happened in the first place and all this talk about changing gun laws wouldn't even be taking place....
 
SmarterthanYou said:
there are two types of sales. one from an FFL through which those weapons are bought from manufacturers, and two, from an individual in private sales. so your point doesn't stand. both sales are legal.
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the operative word, the key word in your response is SALES. Whether it was from the manufacturer or individual, the Assault Weapons Ban was implemented against both! And again, CRUZ DID NOT HAVE A WEAPON UNTIL HE BOUGHT ONE....long after the AWB expired in 2004.

On this the OP stands valid, whether you like it or not. A matter of fact, a matter of history.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Spare us this lame right wing wonk tactic. We're discussing school shootings and assault weapons. The stats on the school shootings are not as you would like everyone to believe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States
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Save us the same tired and fraudulent appeals to emotion, they have no place in a debate. What matters is facts, and the undeniable, immutable fact is that fewer people die from firearms every year, including children, and school shootings themselves are so statistically insignificant as to be discounted entirely. This is objective, dispassionate truth.
 
NOVA said:
First....the Fla. shooter did not have a modified AR15....it was a semi automatic rifle like hundreds of other semi autos made by numerous manufactures....most used for hunting....none are automatic and look as scary as an AR ....incidentally....
The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle.....the AR 15 just looks like an assault rifle...it don't work like a typical military assault weapon...

I agree that kits manufactured to modify any rifle to work like a military assault weapon should be illegal.....same goes for bump stocks...
If the law you want was in place this nut would not have able to simply buy the gun in a gun shop, true.....he actually had several 'mean looking' weapons, none were real assault weapons....

Quite simply, if the FBI and/or local police would have done the jobs, the murders would have happened in the first place and all this talk about changing gun laws wouldn't even be taking place....
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Not to be callus, an AR-15 style rifle (Smith & Wesson M&P 15 .223) that Cruz had and a straight out AR-15 ARE STILL ASSAULT RIFLES THAT WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN AVAILABLE HAD THE AWB BEEN IN EFFECT. Remember, the AR-15 was designed for military training...an ASSAULT RIFLE CLASSIFICATION GIVEN BY MANUFACTURER AND MILITARY. And quite frankly, the small difference in classification is of little comfort to the families of the 17 victims in Florida.

I agree with you regarding the FBI and local cops, BUT if the AWB was in place, their competence would never had to be tested.
 
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