More Traitor Monuments .....Gone
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Darth Omar
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Demeaning southerners for something that went on over 150 years ago is such a great electoral strategy for 2020. I think the left should adopt it.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Those events are being celebrated and memorialized in 2017.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
CW Statues aren’t history but they’re celebrations lol?
Whatever they are, the Taliban-esque movement to remove them is a winning strategy—-for us Deplorables. So let’s keep it going.
How soon do you think you can get to Monticello?
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
They are celebrating the cause of the CSA - an enemy nation. People who support them, such as yourself, believe that the cause of the Confederacy is/was superior to that of America. That is why you get so triggered every time one of them is brought down.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Congress disagrees in that Confederate soldiers are considered US veterans..
But don't let facts get in the way of "Nazis" and such junk noise...
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Congress is participating in a lie (kind of like Holocaust denial). Of course, a large chunk of Congress is seated by members from the conquered former-CSA states.
within 50 years of the end of the Civil war- the wounds had healed, nd Reconstruction was over,and the US entered WWI as a Union..you guys are the ones who are revisionists, and want to open scabs long scarred over.
And again this"traitor"stuff was settled by Congress when they declared Confederate vets to be US veterans.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Good point about congress.
The American CW was unique in that both sides sought reconciliation after the war was over. That we still survive as a union is a testimony to their efforts.
But let the leftist/Antifa/Taliban types relitigate it all they want. It’s good for the cause politically, comrade.
talk about denial.
and now you trot out the Holocau[SUB][/SUB]st?? You need some historical perspective past your fixation of hating the south..opening up long healed wounds is detrimental to E Pluribus Unum
https://www.truthorfiction.com/confederate-soldiers-are-considered-u-s-veterans-under-federal-law/
It’s true that Union and Confederate soldiers are considered U.S. veterans under federal law, and that they would be entitled to the same benefits as Union soldiers today.
These claims went viral on social media after the Confederate flag was removed from the South Carolina Capitol grounds in July 2015. The state legislature voted to remove the flag after a self-described white supremacist murdered nine black churchgoers there.
That inspired posts on social media sites that claimed Confederate and Union veterans were considered equals under federal law, and that they are entitled to the same protections and benefits.
It’s true that a federal law passed in 1958 listed the spouses and children of all Civil War veterans — Confederate and Union — as eligible for federal pensions:
Whenever there is no surviving spouse entitled to pension under section 1532 of this title, the Secretary shall pay to the children of each Civil War veteran who met the service requirements of section 1532 of this title a pension at the monthly rate of $73.13 for one child, plus $8.13 for each additional child, with the total amount equally divided.
It’s also true that federal law (formerly Public Law 810) makes Confederate soldiers eligible for burial in national cemeteries and for taxpayer-funded headstones, just like Union soldiers:
The Secretary shall furnish, when requested, an appropriate memorial headstone or marker for the purpose of commemorating an eligible individual whose remains are unavailable. Such a headstone or marker shall be furnished for placement in a national cemetery area reserved for that purpose under section 2403 of this title, a veterans’ cemetery owned by a State, or, in the case of a veteran, in a State, local, or private cemetery.
The last known Civil War veteran died in 1956, and the last known widow of a Civil War veteran died in 2003 at age 93. But there were surprisingly two children of Civil War veterans who were still receiving benefits in 2012, U.S. News reports:
In the 19th and early 20th centuries, only Union soldiers were eligible for military benefits. It wasn’t until the 1930s that confederate soldiers began receiving pensions from the federal government. Prior to that, confederate soldiers could apply for benefits through the state they resided in.
The groundwork for reconciliation, however, was laid decades before Confederate soldiers and family members became available for federal benefits.
President William McKinley cited reconciliation between the North and South in a speech that followed the conclusion of the Spanish American War on December 14, 1898. A number of former Confederate officers had volunteered for service during the war, which had helped secure U.S. victory, McKinley said:
lol "comrade". It's looking more and more like that "Russian collusion" was done by Fusion GPS and funded by the Hillary campaign..
that's the perspective that made the Civil War a closed chapter in US history, and promoted by Lincoln before his death.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Those states all declared themselves to be a separate country. It had a capital city, a national flag, a constitution, and all of the basic institutions to be found thereunder. They cannot have been both a separate country AND Americans at the same time. The reason why Congress can play into this lie is because the US government to this day still asserts that the secession movement was illegal, and thus the south was in a state of rebellion, rather than a foreign nation engaged in a war against America. I just happen to agree with the southerners at the time of secession when they formally proclaimed that they were no longer citizens of the US, and therefore, no longer Americans.
you are fixated on a singularity of time, and ignoring the aftermath of the war, and assimilation of the confederate vets into society.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
The aftermath of the war is that the south continued to be a drain on American life, and never really learned its lesson.
"I disagree that it's a slippery slope issue. It's fairly cut and dried."
"So Lee goes and Jefferson stays. Simple." M 74 & k 75
If so, then you are entitled to one opinion, the expression of your own personal preference.
But if not you have neither the moral authority nor the legal right to dictate to descendants of America's enslaved what shall offend them, and what shall not.
Case in point:
Forcing descendants of America's former enslaved to attend Thomas Jefferson high school is as offensive as forcing descendants of holocaust survivors to attend Adolf Hitler high school.
Your admittedly "simple" formula is simply wrong, for reasons including it's not consistent with the position of the plaintiffs.
* Please spare me your ignorant spew about Sally Hemmings consenting. Hemmings was Jefferson's slave. BY LEGAL DEFINITION a slave cannot give legal consent, for the slave / master relationship is intrinsically coercive, and coerced consent is not legally binding.
And your simple formula for that is: "Jefferson stays". Why? Because it's not offensive to YOU ?!?!
Not only that. We're not merely discussing a statue in Jefferson's case. This pervasive fervor to obliterate the evidence of our ugly disgraceful past extends beyond statuary in Jefferson's case. There's not merely the Jefferson Memorial in DC. There's also the U of V, Monticello, among other reminders. And let us not forget the U.S.' ubiquitous five cent coin.
"So Lee goes and Jefferson stays. Simple." M 74 & k 75
Are you Black, descended from enslaved Negros?
If so, then you are entitled to one opinion, the expression of your own personal preference.
But if not you have neither the moral authority nor the legal right to dictate to descendants of America's enslaved what shall offend them, and what shall not.
Case in point:
Thomas Jefferson was not merely a slave owner, but also a slave rapist *.
Forcing descendants of America's former enslaved to attend Thomas Jefferson high school is as offensive as forcing descendants of holocaust survivors to attend Adolf Hitler high school.
Your admittedly "simple" formula is simply wrong, for reasons including it's not consistent with the position of the plaintiffs.
* Please spare me your ignorant spew about Sally Hemmings consenting. Hemmings was Jefferson's slave. BY LEGAL DEFINITION a slave cannot give legal consent, for the slave / master relationship is intrinsically coercive, and coerced consent is not legally binding.
And your simple formula for that is: "Jefferson stays". Why? Because it's not offensive to YOU ?!?!
Not only that. We're not merely discussing a statue in Jefferson's case. This pervasive fervor to obliterate the evidence of our ugly disgraceful past extends beyond statuary in Jefferson's case. There's not merely the Jefferson Memorial in DC. There's also the U of V, Monticello, among other reminders. And let us not forget the U.S.' ubiquitous five cent coin.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Darth Omar
Russian asset
You need to work as a political adviser for the DNC. ‘Teaching the south a lesson’ would make an excellent national campaign slogan.
How do we get that to happen?
Why is discord and disharmony fostered by lies good for the cause? Why is calling people leftits/antifascists and taliban good for the cause? What is the cause you share with noise?