Is it worth it?

Thing1 said:
The bolded is a cop-out from the question of the OP, anatta.

No one is suggesting a priest. But how low are you willing to go for "the agenda"? Does character not matter at ALL to you, as long as the ends are achieved?
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Given that the Democrats supported Clinton, both parties proved they will go as low as it takes. Two highly corrupt and unethical pieces of shit... that is what the two parties put forth.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't personally look to DC for anything. But when the President gets ahead by lying, that has an effect. We're in what is now called a "post-truth era," and that has effects well beyond politics. When he tweets from extremist websites to stoke hatred and division, it has an effect.

He's not just a pen to implement policy. This is one where I actually know you're wrong; you have a very narrow view of what's entailed in being a world leader. Not that we've had paragons of morality, but every President's flaws in that area have had reach.
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he can tweet what he wants. I'm not worried about re-tweets. we got enough to worry about.

Prioritize. If Trump's language is horrid -so what? His language doesn't pay my bills or effect my security
HIS POLICIES DO.

There are plenty of place to look for morality/spirituality - DC is the last place i consider for such
 
Thing1 said:
I'm not asking this in a snarky way. I'm genuinely curious what posters on both sides might think on this.

I don't know how Trump is going to be judged on the economy. Obviously, it depends on where it's at when he leaves - but it's doing great right now, and there is as much chance that it will be gangbusters throughout his admin as there is that it will topple. And this is a good thing; this one fact is something we should all celebrate.

And then there is the fact that he tweeted basically fake videos from one of the most extremist groups in GB today (a guy who lost his wife to the group said they're the equivalent of the KKK). He reportedly believes in a lot of the nutty conspiracy theories out there, and is even supposedly revisiting that Obama might have been born in Kenya. If reports are to be believed (and would this really be surprising?), he's starting to deny that it's him on the Access Hollywood tape. In short, he is more mentally unstable than basically anyone who has occupied that office. The severity of his issues are still to be determined, but most agree that there ARE issues, and they're fairly significant.

Beyond that, we can already see what kind of effect his pathological/amoral behavior is having on the country at large. As one writer put it, it's accurate to say we're in the "post-truth" era. A world of alternative facts and constructed realities is not just being accepted, but encouraged as some sort of shortcut to successful ends. And obviously, the country is not as friendly a place to be right now for many minorities, ethnicities, genders and religions.

So, is it worth it? Does character NOT matter, as long as the ends are achieved? Is that a standard we'd be comfortable with going forward?
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If you were really serious about having an honest discussion, you would not have filled your post with so much left-wing propaganda and issued talking points.
 
Thing1 said:
At least you're straight-up about it.

I couldn't possibly disagree more, though. The President sets the tone for the country. We'll see the effects of Trump's character for years to come.
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Anyone who sets their 'tone' based on a politician (of either party) is a fucking idiot. Granted there are a lot of idiots on both sides of the aisle, but DC is home to the most corrupt unethical pieces of shit in the country. Why would anyone look to any of them for leadership on morals?
 
Thing1 said:
I don't personally look to DC for anything. But when the President gets ahead by lying, that has an effect. We're in what is now called a "post-truth era," and that has effects well beyond politics. When he tweets from extremist websites to stoke hatred and division, it has an effect.

He's not just a pen to implement policy. This is one where I actually know you're wrong; you have a very narrow view of what's entailed in being a world leader. Not that we've had paragons of morality, but every President's flaws in that area have had reach.
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If you think that Trump is the first President to get ahead by lying, then you should just stop talking about politics. This 'post-truth' nonsense is just a talking point created to pretend this is something new.
 
Thing1 said:
The bolded is a cop-out from the question of the OP, anatta.

No one is suggesting a priest. But how low are you willing to go for "the agenda"? Does character not matter at ALL to you, as long as the ends are achieved?
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Evidently, character matters little to you, since you only seem interested in the alleged moral failings of Republicans, while completely ignoring the telephone pole in your own eye. What a fucking joke.
 
Superfreak said:
If you think that Trump is the first President to get ahead by lying, then you should just stop talking about politics. This 'post-truth' nonsense is just a talking point created to pretend this is something new.
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I know you're in hyper-defense mode right now, but there is no comparison between Trump & past politicians.

Yes, all politicians have lied. No, not all politicians have lied like Trump. No one at that level has.
 
Superfreak said:
If you think that Trump is the first President to get ahead by lying, then you should just stop talking about politics. This 'post-truth' nonsense is just a talking point created to pretend this is something new.
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fucking sociopath

you lie straight into the face of facts
 
Thing1 said:
I don't personally look to DC for anything. But when the President gets ahead by lying, that has an effect. We're in what is now called a "post-truth era," and that has effects well beyond politics. When he tweets from extremist websites to stoke hatred and division, it has an effect.

He's not just a pen to implement policy. This is one where I actually know you're wrong; you have a very narrow view of what's entailed in being a world leader. Not that we've had paragons of morality, but every President's flaws in that area have had reach.
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Again, you might try looking in the mirror.
 
countryboy said:
Evidently, character matters little to you, since you only seem interested in the alleged moral failings of Republicans, while completely ignoring the telephone pole in your own eye. What a fucking joke.
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You seem agitated. What proof do you have of that? I think Bill Clinton is a slime. I didn't vote for Hillary in large part because of her dishonesty and also for her Iraq Vote. I think Franken & Conyers should step down.

So, were you just generalizing on how you think "Joe Liberal" feels about everything? What were you going on?
 
anatta said:
he can tweet what he wants. I'm not worried about re-tweets. we got enough to worry about.

Prioritize. If Trump's language is horrid -so what? His language doesn't pay my bills or effect my security
HIS POLICIES DO.

There are plenty of place to look for morality/spirituality - DC is the last place i consider for such
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because its run by the republican party


idiot
 
Thing1 said:
I know you're in hyper-defense mode right now, but there is no comparison between Trump & past politicians.

Yes, all politicians have lied. No, not all politicians have lied like Trump. No one at that level has.
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I know you enjoy projecting your emotions onto others, but do stop. You want to pretend like this is something new? Ok, I can't stop you from doing so. Go bury your head in the sand and wait until he is out of office. Then you can go back to pretending the politicians aren't lying to you.
 
anatta said:
as long as POTUS is not a criminal..no character really doesn't count.

It's just like realpolitik. morals are not the business of government.

Focus on the basics. getting our economic house in order, and a sound foreign policy.

If you get "good character" too-consider it a bonus, but not a necessity
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Well, good luck with that.
 
Superfreak said:
Given that the Democrats supported Clinton, both parties proved they will go as low as it takes. Two highly corrupt and unethical pieces of shit... that is what the two parties put forth.
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why are you trafficing in Russian lies about Hilary?
 
Oh god. Poor minorities. Do we need another 14 trillion dollar program to help them? Should be bring in another 11 million illegals? Give me a break on that shit.

And you want to talk about alternative facts, look no further than your very own MSM. Who have been spreading lies and half truths for 50 plus years now. Don't hate Trump for using their own tactics against them.
 
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