George H.W. Bush becomes longest-living president in US history
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signalmankenneth
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George Bush Snr accused of groping by eighth woman
How many more?!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41987895
How many more?!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41987895
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I'm with you on defending him on the butt-groping issue. But he's far from an honored elder. This is a guy who was appointed to protect the CIA when its dirty laundry was being exposed, who was appointed to defend the Republican Party during Watergate, who was known as a 'will always put party over country' guy, who was behind the Iran-Contra scandal and then pardoned the criminals who had been convicted or were facing trial, who pursued profits in the arms dealing Carlyle Group, on and on.
He's the guy who gave us these sons:
- Neil Bush, a central figure in causing the S&L scandal that resulted in a thousand convictions of bankers - the first banking crisis in the US since FDR had regulated Wall Street until Reagan deregulated them
- George W. Bush - do I really need to explain
- Jeb Bush, the loyal brother who stole the 2000 election for his brother, giving us the disaster of George W. Buh instead of the far, far better presidency of the choice of the American people, Al Gore, and again put party over country/principle/democracy
Oh, brother. He did the opposite his whole life after WWII. See my post.
As critical as I am of him, I'll agree to those positive points.
<sigh> I miss those days of rational (R)s as well. I grew up in a pretty conservative upper middle class 'hood, surrounded by sci guys, most of them with PhDs. There were also a few university professors in the sciences as well. They were virtually all Republicans. We could tell in those days by which newspaper people had tossed into their yard. The morning one was conservative; the evening one was not. None of those guys would have believed the current GOP and its disdain for science, education, keeping your religion to yourself, public displays of immorality, etc.
Interesting.
I wonder bow much of it has to do with the way Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into power?...making it so they are obligated to play to the most rightwing, extremist elements of their base if they hope to survive primary challenges.
I grew up among conservatives too. In my case, immigrants from the eastern bloc who were staunchly, even fanatically anti-communist. And by the 1970s, their perception was that the Republicans represented the most fervently anti-communist choice they could vote for. Of course, when you really think about it, liberals and progressive have been history's biggest and most effective foes of totalitarianism and authoritarianism. But rhetoric and theater always matter in electoral politics, eh?
But my anti-communist, pro-czarist relatives never, in no way, subscribed to the bible thumping, biblical law, anti-science Republicanism of today.
evince
Truthmatters
yes you got me
its been along time and I was going soft on him
you are of course correct about all those actions of his.
I was trying to remember a better time when the republican party was a party of real ideas and loved this country.
you just rememinded me that Im thinking of a time that didnt include my life time.
Im 60 now and they have not been a decent party all my adult life .
MLK was a republican
I would have to go back to the days when King was a republican
both parties have moved to the extreme. Dem's rarely talk working class solutions (except tax the rich), instead they focus on Identity Politics- which is inherently divisive..
The Republican party has been split with the outsider Trump against the establishment #neverTrumps.
I go with the populist wing of the Republicans now-but just for now, as the establishments will eventually wear down any populism
Partisan politics is a minfvck though...i see no reason to hitch my wagon to any party.
I go where I think it's best..I voted for Clinton and Obama the first time.
Hilary for a variety of reasons ( not to be confused with her variety of excuses) was a no go -no way.
The Republican party has been split with the outsider Trump against the establishment #neverTrumps.
I go with the populist wing of the Republicans now-but just for now, as the establishments will eventually wear down any populism
Partisan politics is a minfvck though...i see no reason to hitch my wagon to any party.
I go where I think it's best..I voted for Clinton and Obama the first time.
Hilary for a variety of reasons ( not to be confused with her variety of excuses) was a no go -no way.
evince
Truthmatters
only because you watch the likes of fox news idiot.
they DO NOT show you the real news fool
That would be Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt and that's it. Seriously.
He wasn't a Republican. He was neither. His father was a Republican, who switched his vote from Nixon to JFK when JFK called his son in prison.
evince
Truthmatters
SPOT ON
he was neither
thank you for disabusing me of that falsehood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr.#Politics
As the leader of the SCLC, King maintained a policy of not publicly endorsing a U.S. political party or candidate: "I feel someone must remain in the position of non-alignment, so that he can look objectively at both parties and be the conscience of both—not the servant or master of either."[258] In a 1958 interview, he expressed his view that neither party was perfect, saying, "I don't think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party. They both have weaknesses*... And I'm not inextricably bound to either party."[259] King did praise Democratic Senator Paul Douglas of Illinois as being the "greatest of all senators" because of his fierce advocacy for civil rights causes over the years.[260]
King critiqued both parties' performance on promoting racial equality:
evince
Truthmatters
Ike was a good man
Not that much. He oversaw an utterly disastrous, murderous foreign policy. He gave the country Richard Nixon and put the world on a hair trigger for nuclear war by making that the only available response to incidents in Europe (JFK's top priority was to reduce
that risk Eisenhower had created).
Under Eisenhower the evil Dulles brothers ran American foreign policy. They and Eisenhower are the ones who turned the CIA into a rogue agency, who overthrew democracy in Iran creating the disaster ever since, who overthrew democracy in Guatemala.
They approved the Bay of Pigs operation, they conducted the CIA program researching mind control that subjected thousands of people to LSD, and crippling torture, without their consent. I could go on.
OK, I'll go on. They allied with the murderous dictator of the Dominican Republican - and when a Dominican dissident was going to expose him and became a New York professor, the CIA kidnapped him to be boiled alive by the dictator.
Mason Michaels
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Ike wasn't President in the 60's to give Hippie's LSD
You know who else Ike was?
John Kennedy was against the US's history of always aligning with the most far-right regimes, who would torture and repress, and oppose any neutral regime as 'communist'. Kennedy planned to oppose Europe continuing its colonies and to support independent nations. It's a lot of why he was beloved across the world.
In Africa, the leader who was most advocating for African independence and unity was the first elected leader of the Congo, Patrice Lumumba. Kennedy planned to work with him. Eisenhower and Allen Dulles did not like that policy - and they assassinated Lumumba after Kennedy was elected, days before he was sworn in.
John Kennedy was against the US's history of always aligning with the most far-right regimes, who would torture and repress, and oppose any neutral regime as 'communist'. Kennedy planned to oppose Europe continuing its colonies and to support independent nations. It's a lot of why he was beloved across the world.
In Africa, the leader who was most advocating for African independence and unity was the first elected leader of the Congo, Patrice Lumumba. Kennedy planned to work with him. Eisenhower and Allen Dulles did not like that policy - and they assassinated Lumumba after Kennedy was elected, days before he was sworn in.
You know who else Ike was?
John Kennedy was against the US's history of always aligning with the most far-right regimes, who would torture and repress, and oppose any neutral regime as 'communist'. Kennedy planned to oppose Europe continuing its colonies and to support independent nations. It's a lot of why he was beloved across the world.
In Africa, the leader who was most advocating for African independence and unity was the first elected leader of the Congo, Patrice Lumumba. Kennedy planned to work with him. Eisenhower and Allen Dulles did not like that policy - and they assassinated Lumumba after Kennedy was elected, days before he was sworn in. Here's the photo taken when Kennedy was told of Lumumba's assassination:
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcongocry.jpg
John Kennedy was against the US's history of always aligning with the most far-right regimes, who would torture and repress, and oppose any neutral regime as 'communist'. Kennedy planned to oppose Europe continuing its colonies and to support independent nations. It's a lot of why he was beloved across the world.
In Africa, the leader who was most advocating for African independence and unity was the first elected leader of the Congo, Patrice Lumumba. Kennedy planned to work with him. Eisenhower and Allen Dulles did not like that policy - and they assassinated Lumumba after Kennedy was elected, days before he was sworn in. Here's the photo taken when Kennedy was told of Lumumba's assassination:
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcongocry.jpg
The US had LSD all through Eisenhower's presidency and used it in this program. Go do some reading on MKULTRA and Project Artichoke - the CIA killed their own head scientist (after giving him LSD) when he got a conscience about the program.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Then why did JFK seek to take-out the communist regime in Cuba, and why did he support his friend Diem in Vietnam?