Pussy Riot and the Gulag Archipelago of Vladimir Putin

[dukkha]

I have seen and lived through enough to know that anti-Russian and anti-Muslim prejudice is real...an observable fact. It is not simply limited to the rightwing (liberal Hollywood stereotyped Muslims in movies). However, Islamophobia is uniquely a phenomena of the rightwing, and nobody exaggerated the threat and nefarious nature of Russians like the rightwing did - especially during the cold war and prior to the rightwing love affair with Putin.

The movie Red Dawn is a conservative cult classic, because it validated all the worst negative stereotypes rightwingers harbored about the Russians - they are an evil empire, bent on invading North America, and their soldiers are craven war criminals bent on mass executions of American civilians. I never recall most Americans, and in particular most rightwingers, ever treat or consider Russians, Arabs, Muslims as complex three-dimensional human beings. Invariably, they are treated as cartoon figures. Hollywood rightwingers, e.g., Chuck Norris, were only to happy to paint Russians in the most negative light possible.

All you have to do is peruse this board to see how often conservatives try to paint Muslims, black people, Hispanics in a negative light.

Rightwingers have shown no concern about the Kremlin's interference in an American presidential election. Vladimir Putin is regularly held out as an icon, a strong leader, someone perhaps to emulate by Trump and quite a few Trumpettes. I actually cannot recall the last time a rightwinger started a thread that addressed foreign policy outside the prism of realpolitik; threads showing even the most rudimentary understanding that morals, ethics, international law, and human rights should have a role to play in the formulation of our foreign policy.

the election meddling isn't new. we do it also. When are aren't invading or regime change.

Realpolitik has to be the metric, else we are basing policy on morality

US Meddling in 1996 Russian Elections in Support of Boris Yeltsin

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-me...elections-in-support-of-boris-yeltsin/5568288

Our friends in South America might have insights here—hundreds of cases of economic and military blackmail, election fraud, assassination,and the violent overthrow of democratically elected leaders. So too in Europe (Greece, Italy, Portugal, Georgia, Ukraine, etc.), east Asia (Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Korea, the Philippines, etc.), north Africa (Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco), and dozens of other countries on five of the six inhabited continents. (Joshua Keating, “Election Meddling Is Surprisingly Common,” Slate.com, 4 Jan., 2017; Tim Weiner, CIA: Legacy of Ashes, 2008; Noam Chomsky, Deterring Democracy, 1992, 2006.)

In the welter of red-faced indignation, the torrents of denunciations from Senate hearings and press conferences, talk shows and podcasts, one might have expected someone to pose the rather obvious question whether American agencies have ever meddled in Russian presidential elections. And yet (surprise surprise!) America’s corporate-owned press of record, an institution that constantly flaunts its “objectivity,” has failed to raise that straightforward question.

 

[evince]

yeah its just fine huh asshole


listen to you conjole people into acceptng that elections will never be clean


fuck you comrade


stay in Syberia

Putin wont be happy with that idiot strech

 

[Cypress]

the election meddling isn't new. we do it also. When are aren't invading or regime change.

Realpolitik has to be the metric, else we are basing policy on morality

US Meddling in 1996 Russian Elections in Support of Boris Yeltsin

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-me...elections-in-support-of-boris-yeltsin/5568288

Our friends in South America might have insights here—hundreds of cases of economic and military blackmail, election fraud, assassination,and the violent overthrow of democratically elected leaders. So too in Europe (Greece, Italy, Portugal, Georgia, Ukraine, etc.), east Asia (Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Korea, the Philippines, etc.), north Africa (Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco), and dozens of other countries on five of the six inhabited continents. (Joshua Keating, “Election Meddling Is Surprisingly Common,” Slate.com, 4 Jan., 2017; Tim Weiner, CIA: Legacy of Ashes, 2008; Noam Chomsky, Deterring Democracy, 1992, 2006.)

In the welter of red-faced indignation, the torrents of denunciations from Senate hearings and press conferences, talk shows and podcasts, one might have expected someone to pose the rather obvious question whether American agencies have ever meddled in Russian presidential elections. And yet (surprise surprise!) America’s corporate-owned press of record, an institution that constantly flaunts its “objectivity,” has failed to raise that straightforward question.

Never heard of "globalresearch.ca"

The old "But it has been done before!" is about the weakest argument possible.
You actually sound like you are justifying the Kremlin interfering in our elections.

This is exactly why what Pussy Riot thinks of the Kremlin is more worth listening to, than your daily defenses of the Kremlin.

Putin Lights Up the Fires
Pussy Riot

This state may be stronger than time in jail.

The more arrests, the happier it is.
Every arrest is carried out with love for the sexist
Who botoxed his cheeks and pumped his chest and abs.
But you can't nail us in the coffin.

Throw off the yoke of former KGB!
Putin is lighting the fires of revolution
He's bored and scared of sharing silence with the people
With every execution: the stench of rotten ash
With every long sentence: a wet dream

The country is going, the country is going into the streets boldly
The country is going, the country is going to bid farewell to the regime
The country is going, the country is going, like a feminist wedge
And Putin is going, Putin is going to say goodbye like a sheep

Arrest the whole city for May 6th
Seven years isn't enough, give us 18!
Forbid us to scream, walk and curse!
Go and marry Father Lukashenko

 

[Cypress]

Interesting times we live in, when Russian citizens are more knowledgeable, informed, and savvy about Authoritarianism than Americans.
Ms. Tolokonnikova's body of work makes a better case against authoritarianism - and for democracy - than any righting politician or message boarder I've run across.

Pussy Riot Star Breaks Down The Similarities Between Trump And Putin

In an interview on MSNBC, Nadya Tolokonnikova also explained how she thinks the president plays into the Russian leader’s hands

Pussy Riot’s Nadya Tolokonnikova says President Donald Trump is not so different from his Russian counterpart*Vladimir Putin. In an interview Friday night with MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, the founder of the Russian punk rock group, which often criticizes Putin, said both leaders were intent on “eroding” their respective nations’ institutions.

“I think they make us forget that citizenship is not just using things that your government is giving to you but giving back to your government and protecting those institutions like democracy,” Tolokonnikova said.

The two presidents also share similar views about their critics and the media, she added.

“I’ve seen how badly it can turn. I’ve seen it, in front of my eyes, for the last 17 years, and I hear it from Donald Trump the same words about media that Putin was using for 17 years,” said Tolokonnikova. “That it’s fake news, that are paid by foreign governments and whoever.”

Tolokonnikova also claimed that Trump’s supposed lack of any true political beliefs played perfectly into Putin’s hands.

“He’s (Trump) really concerned with himself, with his fame and his wealth. And that’s perfectly understandable for Putin as a (former) KGB agent,” she said. “He knows how to deal with people who are easy to understand or easy to bribe.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ikova-trump-putin_us_59fd964fe4b0baea2631e9fd

 

[dukkha]

Never heard of "globalresearch.ca"

The old "But it has been done before!" is about the weakest argument possible.
You actually sound like you are justifying the Kremlin interfering in our elections.

This is exactly why what Pussy Riot thinks of the Kremlin is more worth listening to, than your daily defenses of the Kremlin.

OMG. are you seriously saying we didn't meddle in the 1992 election?

can you google?
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/...is-yeltsin-elections-interference-trump/there is no "justification" or not,,there is only what is

 

[Cypress]

OMG. are you seriously saying we didn't meddle in the 1992 election?

can you google?
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/...is-yeltsin-elections-interference-trump/there is no "justification" or not,,there is only what is

I do not accept your premise that this allegation is a legitimate reason for you to excuse, even encourage the Kremlin's interference in an American election on behalf of your hero, Donald J. Drump.

Your excuse for Kremlin interference has no legitimacy at all. None. Nada. Zilch.

You obviously have thrown in your lot with the Kremlin, Donald Trump, and realpolitik.


This Russian girl could teach you, and all of your fellow Trump-ettes, about authoritarianism and democracy....and about integrity.

Pussy Riot's Nadya Tolokonnikova: Authoritarianism is spreading like 'sexually transmitted diseases'

Pussy Riot's Nadezhda "Nadya" Tolokonnikova, who was imprisoned for protesting Russian President Vladimir Putin, says "democracy is being eroded" by leaders like President Donald Trump.

"We've seen the authoritarian tendencies is parading all around the world as sexually transmitted diseases, and we think it's time to make connection," Tolokonnikova told CNN's #GetPolitical series. "It's time to create global people's movement if we want to find an alternative to this raid of populism, which we've seen in my own country, Russia and in America too, Donald Trump, and in the UK, which ended up in Brexit."

With our new immersive theater project, we want to inspire people to act and to protect their values, to protect democracy, because democracy without deeds is just words," Tolokonnikova said. "And democracy is being eroded by authoritarian or pro-authoritarian leaders like Putin and Donald Trump and Theresa May."

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/08/18/exp-pussy-riot-nadya-tolokonnikova.cnn

 

[dukkha]

I do not accept your premise that this allegation is a legitimate reason for you to excuse, even encourage the Kremlin's interference in an American election on behalf of your hero, Donald J. Drump.

Your excuse for Kremlin interference has no legitimacy at all. None. Nada. Zilch.

You obviously have thrown in your lot with the Kremlin, Donald Trump, and realpolitik.


This Russian girl could teach you, and all of your fellow Trump-ettes, about authoritarianism and democracy....and about integrity.

more sanctimony..pointing out the hypocrisy of "they all do it" isn't an "excuse" it's a fact-
and it should be considered when our politicians go all windbag on how the Russian stole the election.

democracy is being eroded by authoritarian or pro-authoritarian leaders like Putin and Donald Trump and Theresa May."

I think I'll take my political wisdom elsewhere then from a Russian punk-rock band