Pussy Riot and the Gulag Archipelago of Vladimir Putin

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Pussy Riot Takes You Inside Putin’s Prison

“I want people to know what it’s like to be behind bars in Russia, where at any moment your rights can be taken from you,” says Pussy Riot’s Nadezhda “Nadya” Tolokonnikova during a break from rehearsals for a new immersive theater experience in London.

Tolokonnikova, 28, is one of the founding members of Pussy Riot, the Russian punk protest band whose staunch feminism, liberalism and criticism of Russian president Vladimir Putin has made them revered and reviled globally in equal measure.

Inside Pussy Riot is an interactive exhibition about the punk collective’s famous incarceration in Russia in 2012. It is splashing various shades of authoritarianism on the white walls of the Saatchi Gallery from November 14 to December 24. The show plunges the audience into a courtroom, a labour camp and a prison, where they will get a sense of the degrading and humiliating treatment of prisoners, as described by former inmates of this penal colony in Russia’s Mordovia, including Tolokonnikova.

“I want to show you what the prosecution of activists and police oppression looks like. And to remind you, on the contrary, what democracy looks like,” says Tolokonnikova.

In March 2012, Tolokonnikova and two other members of Pussy Riot—Yekaterina Samutsevich and Maria Alyokhina—were arrested after performing "Punk Prayer" in Moscow's Christ the Savior Cathedral and charged with “hooliganism motivated by religious hatred.” Staged shortly after the alleged electoral fraud that saw Putin inaugurated for a third time, a political moment that would mark a draconian crackdown on opposition, the feminist trio’s song derides the notion that Russia's leaders exercise divinely ordained power.

The fateful 30-second performance landed Tolokonnikova and Alyokhina in prison for 18 months—approximately one month for every one-and-a-half seconds. Since their release in December 2013, Pussy Riot has ardently campaigned for reform in the justice system, namely the eradication of forced labor in prison.

“In my prison, we had to produce police uniforms. You aren’t given any education. They just put you in front of a sewing machine and expect you to fulfill a quota from day one. The inhumanely large quotas mean you have to work 17 hours a day, “ says Tolokonnikova. After a month, you become a lifeless, emotionless slave. This doesn’t just happen in Russia. How can we call ourselves civilized people if we still have slaves?”

Russia has the world’s third-highest incarceration rate, after the U.S. and China, with 615 prisoners per 100,000 of the population, according to the BBC.
Prisoners are punished for failing to meet their quotas. “You can be deprived of the right to the use the bathroom or speak to your family. But the worst is solitary confinement, where you’re left for hours on end in a dark, cold room,” says the Pussy Riot member.

For people with poor health who rely on medication, punishment can be fatal. “If a prisoner refuses to plead guilty investigators force prison doctors to stop giving that prisoner their medication. You can die for being honest in court,” she claims.

After her release, Tolokonnikova set up ZonaPrava —a project monitoring and reporting human rights abuses in the penal system. “I tracked lots of deaths in prison camps, which could have been prevented.

“The Russian prison system is based on breaking the human spirit. It might make people obedient but it will never make them respect the rule of law.”
Prison, however, is not the worst place for an activist to be. In today’s Russia, opponents can face far worse treatment if they are incarcerated in psychiatric hospitals, a Soviet-era practice that human rights activists say has resurfaced under Putin.

Following their arrest in 2012, Pussy Riot were forced to undergo a psychiatric examination, which resulted in a “personality disorder diagnosis.”
“Well, maybe I do have a personality disorder,” Tolokonnikova laughs.

“This practice is very typical in Russia today. Mental health diagnoses can be attributed to anyone who doesn’t agree with the current state of affairs.”

Although she laughs about it now, Tolokonnikova admits she felt terrified at the time. “I was nervous and shaking. I was much more frightened of being put in a psychiatric hospital than prison. At least in prison I still had my mind and imagination. But if I were to undergo forced psychiatric treatment, I could turn into a vegetable and I would never be the same.”

Tolokonnikova adds: “But fortunately, the psychiatrist was a nice, sympathetic guy. He was obviously just told to give the same diagnosis to all of us. It might have looked legitimate if they gave it to just one of us.”

Things could be changing in Russia, however. Russian television personality Ksenia Sobchak will stand as a candidate in the March 2018 presidential election. Her stated political agenda is to go “against the status quo.” Despite her ties to Putin, who considered her father Anatoly Sobchak a mentor, the 35-year-old former journalist insists she is not just another Kremlin pawn in the predetermined game of Russian politics, but much-needed legitimate and competitive disruption.
While Pussy Riot gained fame in the west as the brazen resistors of autocracy and are romantically hailed as a symbol of the collective anger toward Putin’s order, in Russia the group has gained notoriety as radically feminist, and their spectacle is seen more as an act of blasphemy than of political resistance.

You could be forgiven for thinking that Tolokonnikova would want to flee Russia for a peaceful life of exile in the West. She goes about her days with the unnerving knowledge that her communications are monitored. Recently, she said, she discovered that state security agents had installed bugging devices in her local cafe.

But Tolokonnikova has no intention of leaving her motherland. “Of course I’ll stay in Russia. That’s where my future is. I love Russia.”

Full article https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/pussy-riot-takes-you-inside-putins-prison/
 
i seem to recall you posting about PR before?

Russia has the world’s third-highest incarceration rate, after the U.S. and China, with 615 prisoners per 100,000 of the population, according to the BBC.
Prisoners are punished for failing to meet their quotas. “You can be deprived of the right to the use the bathroom or speak to your family. But the worst is solitary confinement, where you’re left for hours on end in a dark, cold room,” says the Pussy Riot member.

things could be changing in Russia, however. Russian television personality Ksenia Sobchak will stand as a candidate in the March 2018 presidential election. Her stated political agenda is to go “against the status quo.” Despite her ties to Putin, who considered her father Anatoly Sobchak a mentor, the 35-year-old former journalist insists she is not just another Kremlin pawn in the predetermined game of Russian politics, but much-needed legitimate and competitive disruption.
While Pussy Riot gained fame in the west as the brazen resistors of autocracy and are romantically hailed as a symbol of the collective anger toward Putin’s order, in Russia the group has gained notoriety as radically feminist, and their spectacle is seen more as an act of blasphemy than of political resistance.
 
i seem to recall you posting about PR before?

Yes, because every American Trumpette who worships Putin (like you) needs to be reminded by actual Russians (aka, Pussy Riot) that Putin is a dictator, an oligarch, and many Russians long for liberalism and democracy.
 
Yes, because every American Trumpette who worships Putin (like you) needs to be reminded by actual Russians (aka, Pussy Riot) that Putin is a dictator, an oligarch, and many Russians long for liberalism and democracy.

could you repete this post


I feel like I need to thank it again

once was just not enough
 
Yes, because every American Trumpette who worships Putin (like you) needs to be reminded by actual Russians (aka, Pussy Riot) that Putin is a dictator, an oligarch, and many Russians long for liberalism and democracy.
some do,some don't.
Russian oligarchs are nothing new however -it's been that way even thru the USSR with the apparatchiks.

There is also a longing for Russia to take it's "rightful place" among the world powers-
which feed's Putin's high poll numbers..

Bottom line: not our business - only realpolitik applies to our relation with Russia
 
gee ask a countrys people if they think thei country is not listened too enough by the world


guess what your answer will be?

the russian people are not into putin

they have to PRETEND to be


you idiots always make the same mistakes even in the face of history.

believing your own propaganda


bad information in means bad decisions out
 
some do,some don't.
Russian oligarchs are nothing new however -it's been that way even thru the USSR with the apparatchiks.

There is also a longing for Russia to take it's "rightful place" among the world powers-
which feed's Putin's high poll numbers..

Bottom line: not our business - only realpolitik applies to our relation with Russia

"Realpolitik" is a word I have not heard since the cold war, and only came back into vogue among Trumpettes within the last 12 months. I find that very odd, and it seems like made it's reappearance by way of a talking points that was bantered around the wingnutosphere.

The fact that conservatives have expressed no alarm at Putin's interference in an American election add only further evidence that you don't give a crap about Russia, you don't care about the welfare of the Russian people, and you only care about what will politically help your hero, Donald. J. Drumpf. And that includes conspiring with Russian dictators.

You are correct that Russia is a complex country, and in the rural areas Putin has substantial support among those who value stability over democratic institutions, value strong leadership over the principles of representative government. I believe opposition to Putin is stronger than most people imagine, particularly in Russia's large urban areas.

I acknowledge my mistake in assuming that your interest in Russia actually meant you have any empathy or tangible interest in the welfare of the Russian people.
 
"Realpolitik" is a word I have not heard since the cold war, and only came back into vogue among Trumpettes within the last 12 months. I find that very odd, and it seems like made it's reappearance by way of a talking points that was bantered around the wingnutosphere.

The fact that conservatives have expressed no alarm at Putin's interference in an American election add only further evidence that you don't give a crap about Russia, you don't care about the welfare of the Russian people, and you only care about what will politically help your hero, Donald. J. Drumpf. And that includes conspiring with Russian dictators.

You are correct that Russia is a complex country, and in the rural areas Putin has substantial support among those who value stability over democratic institutions, value strong leadership over the principles of representative government. I believe opposition to Putin is stronger than most people imagine, particularly in Russia's large urban areas.

I acknowledge my mistake in assuming that your interest in Russia actually meant you have any empathy or tangible interest in the welfare of the Russian people.
I'm interested in Rusia like I'm interested in any country -but more so because of NATO's costs and man powers requirements.
I have no innate love or hate for Russia -or Putin for that matter
( though I do have to admire Putin's geopolitical chess - the same way I admire Kasparov's chess games).

Realpolitik has been around since Kissinger started using the term heavily,
when Nixon went to meet a bunch of Maoists in China.
I have no love for Maoists -in fact they were far worse then anything Putin served up -but the point is we dealt with
"red China" and we sure as heck should do the same with modern Russia.

Obama simply gave up on even taking to Putin and let relations deteriorate after Crimea.
Now we have counter-productive sanctions that hurt everyone involved ( including the Russian people)
when we should be dealing over Donbas

Plus I notice you never, ever look at NATO expansion,and our breaking the promise not to militarize the former GDR.

That's a very large cause of Putin getting into, and staying in power.

 
could you repete this post


I feel like I need to thank it again

once was just not enough
Thats because you love left wing lies....

Most Americans do love Russians....not Putin and not the Russian Government...as most love the Frency, Irish, Germans, etc, though maybe not their governments of their leaders......
Cy just likes to stereotype everyone into one lump....typical left wing bullshit that of most you do on a regular basis....
to you morons, everyone that owns a gun is a gun nut and a Conservative
every conservative wants to drink dirty water and breathe polluted air
every conservative wants to tax the poor and give it to the rich
every conservative is a racist, homophobe, etc...
every conservative hates all muslims...its total bullshit lies....

you just can't even imagine that many many liberals actually do all of those things i mention above......, but of course I know not all of them....
 
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Cy just likes to stereotype everyone into one lump....typical left wing bullshit that of most you do on a regular basis....
his usual sanctimonious crap..However i do give him credit for being aware of Russia-
and not just in the hysterical context most Americans do
 
You are stuck parroting a cold war term "realpolitick", which is undoubtedly something you picked up from the pro-Trump media. That word has nothing to do with anything, it is just a slogan. By clinging to it like grim death you rob yourself of the opportunity to gain any more profound knowledge of what is in the best interest and welfare of the Russian people and American citizens.

I am not going to debate slogans.

I am sure Putin and the Kremlin would love the United States to practice "realpolitik" is the sense you want us to. Cede Crimea to them, ignore human rights, continue the Afghan War disaster, and turn a blind eye to "enhanced interrogation", aka torture.


p.s. These chicks have more fortitude, integrity, courage, and balls than any rightwing message board chickenhawk I have had the displeasure of running across these past fifteen years.....

Pussy Riot Takes Aim at Trump and Putin in New Song - "Police State"

“Big smile for the camera,” begins a barbed new song from the dissident Russian band Pussy Riot about state surveillance and police brutality.

Released on Wednesday, the video for “Police State” shows three children in pastel-colored masks — a Pussy Riot trademark — who are being forced to watch looped videos of President Trump and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia shaking hands. A booted and uniformed Chloë Sevigny tosses children’s stuffed animals into a fire, and crushes others with a police baton. A ballerina blithely pirouettes in the background as lyrics proclaim: “No problems in paradise/We’ll lock them up.”

Pussy Riot gained widespread attention in 2012 after three of its members were charged with “hooliganism motivated by religious hatred” for staging an anti-Putin demonstration in Moscow at the Russian Orthodox Cathedral of Christ the Savior. In the video for “Police State,” the band’s members also wear ski masks, which have the added benefit of conferring anonymity: The group’s membership is rotating and sometimes obscure.

Only one member of Pussy Riot, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, is clearly identifiable in the video. She said in a telephone interview from Berlin on Thursday that other members of the group needed to remain anonymous for their protection.

Ms. Tolokonnikova said she hoped the video would highlight “how difficult and dangerous it is for political activists to spread new information.” She added, “We’ve been attacked several times and people around us have been attacked and even killed — killed just because of political participation.”

The video was released a year after Mr. Trump’s presidential victory. Ms. Tolokonnikova called it a “sad anniversary,” adding “lots of people in the United States decided to choose this not-very-smart and pro-authoritarian person who is attacking women’s rights, trans rights and independent press.” She said Mr. Trump “treats critics as treasonous which is the first sign of being an authoritarian leader.”

The song’s title, “Police State,” is not just an empty phrase for her. “It’s not just words for me,” she said. “I know what it means.” But she added: “If you constantly think about fear, about being beaten or one or another thing, you will never do anything. I prefer to think about things that can be changed.”

Ms. Tolokonnikova lives in Moscow, where she assumes, she said, that she is under surveillance, but “I’m not anything special in this regard. Every person who decides to be politically involved, they are under surveillance in Russia.” She said it was “something you get used to.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/music/trump-pussy-riot-chloe-sevigny.html

 
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Poor Cy.....guess you'd be happier if Trump brought a RESET button for the Russians on his trip....you did gush when Hillary did it didn't you....
 
his usual sanctimonious crap..However i do give him credit for being aware of Russia-
and not just in the hysterical context most Americans do

Encycolopedia Brittanica:

"Realpolitik, politics based on practical objectives rather than on ideals. The word does not mean “real” in the English sense but rather connotes “things”—hence a politics of adaptation to things as they are. Realpolitik thus suggests a pragmatic, no-nonsense view and a disregard for ethical considerations. In diplomacy it is often associated with relentless, though realistic, pursuit of the national interest."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/realpolitik

If you are going to use words like "realpolitik" and "sanctimonious", you are obligated to abide by the actual definitions of those words. You can't just make up your own definitions.

Realpolitick, by definition, is a political philosophy characterized a disregard for ethical and moral considerations.
There are very few normal, well adjusted, ethical human beings who would say I am being "sanctimonious" for suggesting ethical considerations and human rights deserve a place alongside raw geopolitical interests in the conduct of our foreign policy.
 
If you are going to use words like "realpolitik" and "sanctimonious", you are obligated to abide by the actual definitions of those words. You can't just make up your own definitions.

Realpolitick, by definition, is a political philosophy characterized a disregard for ethical and moral considerations.
There are very few normal, well adjusted, ethical human beings who would say I am being "sanctimonious" for suggesting ethical considerations and human rights deserve a place alongside raw geopolitical interests in the conduct of our foreign policy.

Correct on all counts.
1. anatta doesn't do dictionary definitions.
2. anatta doesn't give a fuck about morals.
3. anatta is a total asshole to those he disagrees with.

I could go on but why.
 
If you are going to use words like "realpolitik" and "sanctimonious", you are obligated to abide by the actual definitions of those words. You can't just make up your own definitions.

Realpolitick, by definition, is a political philosophy characterized a disregard for ethical and moral considerations.
There are very few normal, well adjusted, ethical human beings who would say I am being "sanctimonious" for suggesting ethical considerations and human rights deserve a place alongside raw geopolitical interests in the conduct of our foreign policy.
you idiot.
look at the FULL SENTENCE:
Realpolitik thus suggests a pragmatic, no-nonsense view and a disregard for ethical considerations.

"pragmatic / no nonsense" - get it?? AS OPPOSED TO a policy based on ethics or human rights..

you simply cannot be this stupid..it's right there in black and white.

and no.
Carter's human rights are a bogus view of policy. WTF is it up to the USA how Russia runs their country?
 
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Correct on all counts.
1. anatta doesn't do dictionary definitions.
2. anatta doesn't give a fuck about morals.
3. anatta is a total asshole to those he disagrees with.

I could go on but why.
please dribble out some more of your dysfunctional chatter.
You are always good for comic relief.
 
Thats because you love left wing lies....

Most Americans do love Russians....not Putin and not the Russian Government...as most love the Frency, Irish, Germans, etc, though maybe not their governments of their leaders......
Cy just likes to stereotype everyone into one lump....typical left wing bullshit that of most you do on a regular basis....
to you morons, everyone that owns a gun is a gun nut and a Conservative
every conservative wants to drink dirty water and breathe polluted air
every conservative wants to tax the poor and give it to the rich
every conservative is a racist, homophobe, etc...
every conservative hates all muslims...its total bullshit lies....

you just can't even imagine that many many liberals actually do all of those things i mention above......, but of course I know not all of them....

its the shit you assholes keep voting for

so yes its true
 
annatta was resepected arround this site a couple of years ago



lets remember how everyone thought it was an intelligent thoughful poster.


there will FOREVER be posters like this to contendd with


always question posters aims.


if you dont let these bots creep into your brain they cant hurt you.


never let anyone jsut rest on lies over anything.

there is right and wrong


their are FACTS and lies


dont let anyone ever rest their ideas on lies


call every lie based stupid out


its the only way

lies destroy everything on the face of the earth


everything
 
Thats because you love left wing lies....

Most Americans do love Russians....not Putin and not the Russian Government...as most love the Frency, Irish, Germans, etc, though maybe not their governments of their leaders......
Cy just likes to stereotype everyone into one lump....typical left wing bullshit that of most you do on a regular basis....
to you morons, everyone that owns a gun is a gun nut and a Conservative
every conservative wants to drink dirty water and breathe polluted air
every conservative wants to tax the poor and give it to the rich
every conservative is a racist, homophobe, etc...
every conservative hates all muslims...its total bullshit lies....

you just can't even imagine that many many liberals actually do all of those things i mention above......, but of course I know not all of them....

I have seen and lived through enough to know that anti-Russian and anti-Muslim prejudice is real...an observable fact. It is not simply limited to the rightwing (liberal Hollywood stereotyped Muslims in movies). However, Islamophobia is uniquely a phenomena of the rightwing, and nobody exaggerated the threat and nefarious nature of Russians like the rightwing did - especially during the cold war and prior to the rightwing love affair with Putin.

The movie Red Dawn is a conservative cult classic, because it validated all the worst negative stereotypes rightwingers harbored about the Russians - they are an evil empire, bent on invading North America, and their soldiers are craven war criminals bent on mass executions of American civilians. I never recall most Americans, and in particular most rightwingers, ever treat or consider Russians, Arabs, Muslims as complex three-dimensional human beings. Invariably, they are treated as cartoon figures. Hollywood rightwingers, e.g., Chuck Norris, were only to happy to paint Russians in the most negative light possible.

All you have to do is peruse this board to see how often conservatives try to paint Muslims, black people, Hispanics in a negative light.

Rightwingers have shown no concern about the Kremlin's interference in an American presidential election. Vladimir Putin is regularly held out as an icon, a strong leader, someone perhaps to emulate by Trump and quite a few Trumpettes. I actually cannot recall the last time a rightwinger started a thread that addressed foreign policy outside the prism of realpolitik; threads showing even the most rudimentary understanding that morals, ethics, international law, and human rights should have a role to play in the formulation of our foreign policy.
 
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