'Russiagate’ Zealots Have Become a Major Threat to US National Security

anatta said:
who said anything about fear?
THE PROBLEM IS IT's BOGUS BASED ON "COLLUSION"
and it's destroyed US/Russian relations which are important.

I've listed some reasons
( as well as the enormous COST burden imposed by NATO expansion and Obama's European Reassurance Initiative)
..all for what exactly?

To make us safe form "da Russians" in the Baltics?? where? Poland :rofl2:
what good does it do to pour more and more men and material into eastern Europe?

Afterall when Putin wanted Crimea, he just waltzed in without firing a shot with his "little green men"
The question is WHY was he forced into that land -grab? could it be access to Sevastopol?


what in Great Buddha's sake are you going about? realpolitik is the nature of the relationship. yes it's deteriorated by Russia phobia.But the relationship exists independent of our silly posturing
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Realpolitik -- a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations.

Your comments are purely ideological .. absolutely devoid anything remotely practical .. such as ignoring foreign interference in our government as determined by the entire Intelligence community foreign and domestic.

That's stupid .. and no mumble-jumble of misused words and phrases will make it any less stupid.
 
We will cancel your coup. There is nothing you can do about it. White supremacy will be snuffed out. Globalism will be shoved down your throat.
 
Rune said:
Uh, nope.
They had/have no right to do so. You may want to research AT+T and letters of National Security for a clue.
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cite. ill look. i found this:

National Security Letters (NSL) are administrative subpoenas issued by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation to compel production of information in regard to counterterrorism or counterintelligence investigations. NSLs are limited to non-content information, such as a list of phone numbers dialed or subscriber information. Legal demands issued pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) may direct us to provide content and non-content data related to national security investigations, such as international terrorism or espionage.

Our reporting on NSLs and FISA orders (collectively referred to as “National Security Demands”) is governed by U.S. law.1 By statute, we are permitted to report data of demands served on us and the “customer selectors targeted” by those respective demands in specifically defined numeric ranges and for only certain time periods.
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without looking further though we had so called probable cause the DNC servers were hacked.
Recall the FBI itself tried to notify ( or notified without the DNC responding) it was at risk.

Al,t eh FBI had to do was go to court ( and not just a FISA court) for a warrant to search on the grounds of a compromised DNC could do electoral damage.
Or they could go to FISA for an Espionage warrant.

They chose to do nothing,and even AFTER the server was examined refuse to do a basic investigation-
relying on Crowd Strike instead
 
blackascoal said:
Realpolitik -- a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations.

Your comments are purely ideological .. absolutely devoid anything remotely practical .. such as ignoring foreign interference in our government as determined by the entire Intelligence community foreign and domestic.

That's stupid .. and no mumble-jumble of misused words and phrases will make it any less stupid.
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no.
I'm not ignoring them, I advocate sidelining them, or better yet solving them thru deal with Putin. (practicality)

You are the ideologue.
You are the one ( of many) refusing to use a practical relationship as a basis for US/Russian relations -
relying instead on such moral constructs such as sanctions to "punish Putin"
 
noise said:
no.
I'm not ignoring them, I advocate sidelining them, or better yet solving them thru deal with Putin.

You are the ideologue.
You are the one ( of many) refusing to use a practical relationship as a basis for US/Russian relations -
relying instead on such moral constructs such as sanctions to "punish Putin"
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A DEAL WITH PUTIN???

Sidelining them .. and leave the country wide open to further interference???

Dude, you've completely lost it .. and your intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy on Russia and Putin is just mind boggling.

You weren't preaching any of this nonsense until the Godfather of fake news put it in your head.

This has gotten comical.
 
Here is the REAL Russia story. DNC servers got hacked by consultants hired by the DNC. Hacked e-mails are given to WikiLeaks exposing DNC corruption. DNC does not notify authorities and instead bring in the same corrupt criminals who fabricated the Trump dossier funded by Clinton and the corrupted DNC.

The stench of corruption and deceit cannot be scrubbed away by the FAKE media or the Democratic Party of the Jackass

The corrupted Mueller needs to be fired and a REAL independent council brought in to investigate the REAL Russian corruption scheme.
 
blackandstupid said:
A DEAL WITH PUTIN???

Sidelining them .. and leave the country wide open to further interference???

Dude, you've completely lost it .. and your intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy on Russia and Putin is just mind boggling.

You weren't preaching any of this nonsense until the Godfather of fake news put it in your head.

This has gotten comical.
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It doesn't matter how many times you're told the Russians did not influence the election, idiots like you will continue prattling stupid about it. Dunce.

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blackascoal said:
A DEAL WITH PUTIN???

Sidelining them .. and leave the country wide open to further interference???

Dude, you've completely lost it .. and your intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy on Russia and Putin is just mind boggling.

You weren't preaching any of this nonsense until the Godfather of fake news put it in your head.

This has gotten comical.
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there are deals to be had that would benefit both the US/Russia/and the Ukraine.

That is a PRACTICAL way to manage the relationship,instead of stamping one's feet in anger and going off in a huff-which is what you and the Democrats want.

Right off the top of my head I would recognize the Crimean referendum, in return for Putin getting out of Donbas.
That would also lose the old sanctions imposed after annexation,but not remove the 2nd round imposed by Congress for the election.
it's a win/win/win for all 3 parties involved
 
you aren't going to out play Putin. he's a master of expanding his geo-political reach.

about the best that can be done is play him to a stalemate,and de-fang relations from one of open hostilities.
Putin is not going to pullback his reach either if we simply refuse to play him,l ike now

Then look around for deals. re-normalize the relationship,and stop his drift towards China
 
anatta said:
FB ads?
why wasn't the DNC server examined? Why did Clapper write the ICA assessment with no proof other wise?
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ASIDE FROM ALL THIS - do you not see a value in cooperation in Syria and NK?

also the Cold War 2 spending..is that making us "safer?"
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If he wants to invoke ‘insanity’, it’s in the FBI not examining the DNC server.

Note that none of the JPP Russia-phobes seem the least bit curious about it. Same ditto for the ‘hacks’, Clapper and Comey. Any person who is *sincerely* advocating for less Russian meddling in our elections should be kicking and screaming over the DNC server, since if it was HACKED by the Russians, there is no more critical piece of evidence. And no one in government is allowed to look at it!!

As it is, their collective silence is telling.
 
Darth Omar said:
If he wants to invoke ‘insanity’, it’s in the FBI not examining the DNC server.

Note that none of the JPP Russia-phobes seem the least bit curious about it. Same ditto for the ‘hacks’, Clapper and Comey. Any person who is *sincerely* advocating for less Russian meddling in our elections should be kicking and screaming over the DNC server, since if it was HACKED by the Russians, there is no more critical piece of evidence. And no one in government is allowed to look at it!!

As it is, their collective silence is telling.
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well said, and dead nails on..Russian hacking did not turn the election-not even a bit.
No one but Hillary and some ( not all of them even) diehard Dem's are pushing that fabrication.

The lack of the DNC server being FBI investigated is a glaring hole in the Clapper assessment .
To justify that means one is justifying a sloppy investigation
 
noise said:
well said, and dead nails on..Russian hacking did not turn the election-not even a bit.
No one but Hillary and some ( not all of them even) diehard Dem's are pushing that fabrication.

The lack of the DNC server being FBI investigated is a glaring hole in the Clapper assessment .
To justify that means one is justifying a sloppy investigation
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Think about that.

Who gets to tell the FBI ‘we got this, you don’t need to see the evidence’. NOBODY gets to do that. It’s laughable it’s so outlandish.

You have to assume the FBI didn’t want to look at the server.
 
Darth Omar said:
Think about that.

Who gets to tell the FBI ‘we got this, you don’t need to see the evidence’. NOBODY gets to do that. It’s laughable it’s so outlandish.

You have to assume the FBI didn’t want to look at the server.
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"russian hacking did not turn the election-not even a bit," so, the likes of Fox and nearly every right wing source out there framing and echoing any bit of information coming via WikiLeaks played no role in the election? All the commentary, factual or fabricated, taken off of the leaks had no influencing role in the election?

You people are spitting into the wind, you can't find a dozen serious sources who have seen the intelligence reports that deny that Russia played any role in the election, not even GOP politicians who admit the obvious, all you are doing is shooting the messengers. Evidence of Russia interfering in nearly every European election at the time exists, and now your telling us the didn't take the time to also interfere in the US election?

You buy into insinuation, innuendos, and conspiracy meant as distractions and run with them as if they were fact, yet deny the obvious
 
archives said:
"russian hacking did not turn the election-not even a bit," so, the likes of Fox and nearly every right wing source out there framing and echoing any bit of information coming via WikiLeaks played no role in the election? All the commentary, factual or fabricated, taken off of the leaks had no influencing role in the election?

You people are spitting into the wind, you can't find a dozen serious sources who have seen the intelligence reports that deny that Russia played any role in the election, not even GOP politicians who admit the obvious, all you are doing is shooting the messengers. Evidence of Russia interfering in nearly every European election at the time exists, and now your telling us the didn't take the time to also interfere in the US election?

You buy into insinuation, innuendos, and conspiracy meant as distractions and run with them as if they were fact, yet deny the obvious
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The last sentence should get the JPP Ironic Statement of the Day award lol.
 
Darth Omar said:
Someone enlighten me why they won’t interview Assange—-he’s offered to talk.

Why aren’t they interested?
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the usual Deep State bullshit excuse about "giving him credibility" ( myself I think he's a honest broker of info).

On what other investigation is a lead witness NOT interviewed?
Assange says he got it from an insider not a phantom "Russian cutout" as the Deep State alleges.

Wasserman-Schultz had that indicted Pakistani working for the DNC..who knows

Democratic staffer arrested on bank fraud charge
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/imran-awan-house-democrats/index.html
Imran Awan, who has worked for several House Democrats, including Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was arrested Monday and charged with bank fraud as he tried to leave the country, legal documents show.
FBI spokeswoman Lindsay Ram said FBI and US Capitol Police arrested Awan at Washington's Dulles International Airport as he attempted to travel to Pakistan.
The complaint and affidavit against Awan accused him and his wife, Hina Alvi, of attempting to commit bank fraud by misrepresenting themselves on a loan for a rental property they had and then wiring the proceeds to two unnamed persons in Pakistan.

Christopher Gowen, an attorney for Awan, said Schultz's office fired him after the arrest. David Damron, a spokesman for Wasserman Schultz, confirmed to CNN that Awan had worked in the Florida Democrat's office and had been fired.
 
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noise said:
the usual Deep State bullshit excuse about "giving him credibility" ( myself I think he's a honest broker of info).

On what other investigation is a lead witness NOT interviewed?
Assange says he got it from an insider not a phantom "Russian cutout" as the Deep State alleges
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It’s bullshit.

They’re not interested in the truth.
 
One can believe that Russian interference in an American presidential election is a threat to democracy, should be investigated, and actions to prevent it happening again be taken....

while at the same time recognizing Russia and the United States have areas of mutual interest that require cooperation.

Why would you assume both things cannot happen at the same time? At the height of the Cold War, there was still cooperation between western nations and Russia where there were mutual interests.

Why would you act like you are the first person in history to suggest some level of cooperation with Russian is necessary, even advantageous?

I agree with you that there are some old Cold War hawks, like McCain, who's opinions are suspect. I have long had the blustering, cold war warriors like Reagan and McCain on blast. The cold war warriors had an agenda which did not fool me.

I have a feeling your "sudden" interest in being pro-Russian is almost entirely predicated on your worship of Donald Trump. Unlike you, I have had a life long interest in Russia, I have always been pro-Russian (if anti-Kremlin), and I have personal knowledge of, and interest in, Russian-American cooperation in areas of mutual interest.

You seem to have a very primitive, black and white, you-must-love-Putin-or-else-you-hate-Russia mentality about you. You relentlessly post about this topic (or just paste the words of other people), but you strike me as having a limited, even novice level of sophistication and knowledge about Russia.
 
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