Elephant trophy hunting

[Superfreak]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-reverse-ban-elephant-trophies-africa/story?id=51178663

Stupid move Trump.

""Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation," a Fish and Wildlife spokesperson said in a statement."

So by killing the elephants, you are encouraging the locals to conserve the species and put more money into conservation??? Got to be one of the dumbest statements out there.

Translated: "We are going to kill your elephants and bring them home, you keep finding ways to keep our supply up"

 

[Bill]

Another stupid act, I guess just to piss ppl off

 

[Superfreak]

Another stupid act, I guess just to piss ppl off

While I have hunted in the past and in part it was for sport, I always ate what I killed. The whole concept of 'trophy hunting' is moronic. Especially when the game is an Elephant. Not exactly the hardest of animals to track down. They are not very good at hiding.

That said, the locals in Africa are all for the hunting of the big cats. For one, they eat the same game the villagers want to go after. Two, they are deadly.

 

[dukkha]

banning Ivory trade has never stopped poaching. All it does is have African government burn up tons of ivory.
There really isn't a good answer to the trade

https://voices.nationalgeographic.o...of-ivory-stockpiles-might-not-be-a-good-idea/
The fundamental principle of supply and demand also poses a formidable challenge to the assertion that taking ivory “beyond economic use” somehow reduces demand for ivory.

Ivory consumers are certain to perceive the loss of tons of ivory as a signal that their favored commodity is in increasingly short supply, thus driving up demand.

Common sense tells us that this is the case. Fortunately, we don’t have to rely on common sense alone, as we have empirical evidence that stockpile destruction has led to spikes in black market prices for ivory.

After China’s ivory crush in 2014, the price of worked ivory was shown to increase in Beijing and Hong Kong. As renowned elephant conservationist Dan Stiles said, “The message sent to ivory speculators by the stockpile destruction is, buy as much ivory as you can afford now, it is getting scarcer.”

 

[Superfreak]

banning Ivory trade has never stopped poaching. All it does is have African government burn up tons of ivory.
There really isn't a good answer to the trade

https://voices.nationalgeographic.o...of-ivory-stockpiles-might-not-be-a-good-idea/
The fundamental principle of supply and demand also poses a formidable challenge to the assertion that taking ivory “beyond economic use” somehow reduces demand for ivory.

Ivory consumers are certain to perceive the loss of tons of ivory as a signal that their favored commodity is in increasingly short supply, thus driving up demand.

Common sense tells us that this is the case. Fortunately, we don’t have to rely on common sense alone, as we have empirical evidence that stockpile destruction has led to spikes in black market prices for ivory.

After China’s ivory crush in 2014, the price of worked ivory was shown to increase in Beijing and Hong Kong. As renowned elephant conservationist Dan Stiles said, “The message sent to ivory speculators by the stockpile destruction is, buy as much ivory as you can afford now, it is getting scarcer.”

yeah... there is... they tranquilize the elephants and remove the tusks so that the poachers won't kill the elephants.

 

[dukkha]

yeah... there is... they tranquilize the elephants and remove the tusks so that the poachers won't kill the elephants.

sounds good.but there are problems with that too

https://www.quora.com/Wildlife-Cons...als-Cant-they-just-shave-the-tusk-or-horn-off
If poachers were to spend time and resources tracking an elephant or a rhino only to discover it's already had its tusks/horns trimmed, they've wasted money and manpower. Rather than risk that happening, they'll take steps to avoid it by killing every elephant and rhino they come across - with or without a tusk or horn.

Certain contained populations might benefit from a coordinated effort to trim rhino horns to deter poachers, but it would have to be every single rhino within a confined area or it likely wouldn't make any difference to the number of animals killed.

 

[Superfreak]

sounds good.but there are problems with that too

https://www.quora.com/Wildlife-Cons...als-Cant-they-just-shave-the-tusk-or-horn-off
If poachers were to spend time and resources tracking an elephant or a rhino only to discover it's already had its tusks/horns trimmed, they've wasted money and manpower. Rather than risk that happening, they'll take steps to avoid it by killing every elephant and rhino they come across - with or without a tusk or horn.

Certain contained populations might benefit from a coordinated effort to trim rhino horns to deter poachers, but it would have to be every single rhino within a confined area or it likely wouldn't make any difference to the number of animals killed.

I was not aware of the above. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Airstrip One]