The guy that won't show his taxes wants to "fix" ours???

Bigdog said:
Fuck you, you little socialist authoritarian dictator.

You wanna cap the pay of movie stars, athletes, fashion designers, Zuckerberger, Buffet, Soros, Obama, Clinton and Gates too? :palm:
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Flawed premise. We can cap the pay of those people by refusing to purchase those products.

Not so for insurance CEOs, Big Pharma CEOs, Big Oil CEOs, etc.
 
Superfreak said:
What makes you think there won't be demand?
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The argument is for handing huge tax breaks to the wealthiest, to the detriment of the middle class...solely because they fund start ups. (They don't).

If the middle class has no income, there won't be any demand. Wanna jump start the economy? Put those huge tax savings ($5k-$10k/year) into the hands of the middle class. The money gets spent, and ends up in the hands of the wealthy anyway.
 
Althea said:
Which gave birth to many of the gimmicks that crashed the economy. People devised ways to get rich quick on Wall St, instead of investing for the long term on start ups.
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Which time? The economic collapse in 2000-2002 was due to the panic over y2k. Add in the irrational exuberance Greenspan mentioned with regards to the nonsense of 'its a new economy, earnings don't matter' and we had the bubble burst. (obviously 9/11 prolonged the downturn).

2008 was largely driven by the incessant need of politicians to 'get more homeowners than ever before' and the repeal of Glass Steagall. Both Clinton and Bush contributed to the home ownership and we all know Clinton, along with the Rep Congress, killed Glass Steagall. That, not the cap gains tax cuts, led to the 2008 downturn.

All that said, your comment has NOTHING to do with the FACT that Clintons dropping of the cap gains tax rate was a massive give away to the RICH. The exact opposite of what the poster I responded to was pretending.
 
Craig234 said:
Althea, did I just get my ignore list closer to yours when I added bigdog?
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Hah! I've been on other boards with Big Dog for a lot of years. For some reason, I keep him around so I can get the feel for the mentality in Appalachia. Often to my own detriment.
 
Craig234 said:
It has a lot to do with people who argue the rich pay too many taxes and ignore how much income they take.
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Don't the rich pay over 80-90% of the taxes as things are? Why do liberals always expect Conservatives to provide for them? Child-likeness and lack of personal responsibility are platforms of the left. :palm:
 
Superfreak said:
Which time? The economic collapse in 2000-2002 was due to the panic over y2k. Add in the irrational exuberance Greenspan mentioned with regards to the nonsense of 'its a new economy, earnings don't matter' and we had the bubble burst. (obviously 9/11 prolonged the downturn).

2008 was largely driven by the incessant need of politicians to 'get more homeowners than ever before' and the repeal of Glass Steagall. Both Clinton and Bush contributed to the home ownership and we all know Clinton, along with the Rep Congress, killed Glass Steagall. That, not the cap gains tax cuts, led to the 2008 downturn.

All that said, your comment has NOTHING to do with the FACT that Clintons dropping of the cap gains tax rate was a massive give away to the RICH. The exact opposite of what the poster I responded to was pretending.
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What crash of 2000? The .com bubble bursting led to the start of the recession, exacerbated by Bush's tax cuts and increased spending. The market tanked after 9/11, which was not due to any real policy failures at that moment.

You're getting your other claims backward. The lowering of cap gains made it appealing for the thieves to divert more money into investment earnings, than salary.
 
Althea said:
Hah! I've been on other boards with Big Dog for a lot of years. For some reason, I keep him around so I can get the feel for the mentality in Appalachia. Often to my own detriment.
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I luv exposing your racial hatred of Whites. And I never saw you until a few months ago when I joined JPP.

You see, in liberal lalaland, racial hatred of whites is pc! ... they call it identity politics instead of the racism and bigotry against whites, Christians, and masculinity that is at its core.
 
Superfreak said:
and the biggest giveaway to the rich was done by Clinton.
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Ya, I remember all those Republicans voting against it... oh wait, 1 of 51 'no' votes was a Republican... and all those Democrats for the Bush tax for the rich, and for keeping them when they expired... uh, no, Republicans are the pro-plutocracy party.
 
Althea said:
The argument is for handing huge tax breaks to the wealthiest, to the detriment of the middle class...solely because they fund start ups. (They don't).

If the middle class has no income, there won't be any demand. Wanna jump start the economy? Put those huge tax savings ($5k-$10k/year) into the hands of the middle class. The money gets spent, and ends up in the hands of the wealthy anyway.
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Again... pretending that this is a huge tax break to the rich is precisely why you are being called out for being dishonest.

The increase in standard deduction and the increase in the lower tax brackets will greatly benefit the low and middle income families. Putting more money in their pockets that they can in turn spend. (and they will spend it) You increase the standard deduction from $6k to $12k... that is 2-3 grand per family right there.

Under current law, the 15% bracket starts at just under $31k for a married couple (assuming they both use standard deduction). Under the proposal from the House, the 12% bracket would extend to $90k for a married couple (again assuming the new standard deduction of $24k is used). That is roughly another $1800 in that families pockets.

The nonsense that liberals spew forth every time there is a tax cut is that it is just hand outs to the wealthy is nonsense.

Add in the corporate tax cut (one of the most regressive taxes we have) and you have yet more benefit to the lower and middle income families.
 
Bigdog said:
I luv exposing your racial hatred of Whites. And I never saw you until a few months ago when I joined JPP.

You see, in liberal lalaland, racial hatred of whites is pc! ... they call it identity politics instead of the racism and bigotry against whites, Christians, and masculinity that is at its core.
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Just because you didn't see me, doesn't mean I didn't see you ;)


Time passes...was it you who used a Salinger avatar 'back in the day'?
 
Althea said:
Flawed premise. We can cap the pay of those people by refusing to purchase those products.

Not so for insurance CEOs, Big Pharma CEOs, Big Oil CEOs, etc.
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OMG, yes, you can boycott anyone you want to. Nobody is forcing you to buy their products ... except the socialist authoritarians, ... Obama and the democrats.

Go live in a fucking commune. Haul your own water, grow your own food, erect windmills, whatever. But don't ask others to subsidize your ass. Basically, follow the teachings of the great socialist hero, Pol Pot.
 
Superfreak said:
Again... pretending that this is a huge tax break to the rich is precisely why you are being called out for being dishonest.

The increase in standard deduction and the increase in the lower tax brackets will greatly benefit the low and middle income families. Putting more money in their pockets that they can in turn spend. (and they will spend it) You increase the standard deduction from $6k to $12k... that is 2-3 grand per family right there.

Under current law, the 15% bracket starts at just under $31k for a married couple (assuming they both use standard deduction). Under the proposal from the House, the 12% bracket would extend to $90k for a married couple (again assuming the new standard deduction of $24k is used). That is roughly another $1800 in that families pockets.

The nonsense that liberals spew forth every time there is a tax cut is that it is just hand outs to the wealthy is nonsense.

Add in the corporate tax cut (one of the most regressive taxes we have) and you have yet more benefit to the lower and middle income families.
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Incorrect on all counts. Average family gets $1000/year, and the wealthy get billions. AMT will be gone...saving trump millions per year.

Many corporations pay zero taxes with the vast majority paying between 16%-18%.

All in exchange for massive cuts to Medicare/Caid. Wanna tell us how that benefits the middle class?

Now I'm calling you out for spewing dishonest, Right Wing bullshit.


Edit...throw in the end of SALT, and mortgage interest deductions, and you bogus claims about income gains for the middle class fall flat
 
No other President would have been elected if he didn't show his taxes.

The GOPigs already knew they were going to steal the election from the American people.

This entire illegal Presidency is a sham. People need to stop treating it as if it's legit.
 
Craig234 said:
Ya, I remember all those Republicans voting against it... oh wait, 1 of 51 'no' votes was a Republican... and all those Democrats for the Bush tax for the rich, and for keeping them when they expired... uh, no, Republicans are the pro-plutocracy party.
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And yet, the richest, most wealthy, politicians tend to be liberals :rofl2: Typical of socialism :palm:

Bush could not predict 9/11. Did you?
 
Althea said:
The argument is for handing huge tax breaks to the wealthiest, to the detriment of the middle class...solely because they fund start ups. (They don't).

If the middle class has no income, there won't be any demand. Wanna jump start the economy? Put those huge tax savings ($5k-$10k/year) into the hands of the middle class. The money gets spent, and ends up in the hands of the wealthy anyway.
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which is exactly What trump is trying to do ignoramus.
just because your dream of 5 to 10k is not realistic don't discount the plan
 
TTQ64 said:
No other President would have been elected if he didn't show his taxes.

The GOPigs already knew they were going to steal the election from the American people.

This entire illegal Presidency is a sham. People need to stop treating it as if it's legit.
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Except, according to Black female, Donna Brazile, it was the Old Hillbag and the the elite Dems that rigged and stole an election. I'm sure you have not heard about her new book, living in a racist liberal bubble as you do.
 
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