Thoughts and Prayers = Deplorable

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Figure this will fire people up as the culture wars often do. I saw friends saying this on Facebook as well. The ultimate (sad) irony in this case is this man should not have been allowed to purchase a weapon except the gov't itself f'd up.




How Dare the GOP Pray for Texas

It is now deplorable to offer ‘thoughts and prayers’ for the First Baptist church families.


Imagine you are a sane Democrat who recognizes that a big reason Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump in November was that she alienated many members of the white working class. In the year since, you have been working on your fellow Democrats to change their message in hopes of wooing these voters back into the fold. Then a gunman opens fire at a Baptist church in Texas, and suddenly progressives are in full deplorable mode, attacking anyone who dares offer*.*.*. prayers.

This is the extraordinary turn of events since Devin Patrick Kelley turned his rifle on the innocent churchgoers inside First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. What provoked the left, if it can really be called a provocation, was President Trump’s statement from Japan Sunday, in which he said that “our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and families of today’s horrible and murderous attack.” House Speaker Paul Ryan likewise set off the furies by tweeting, “The people of Sutherland Springs need our prayers right now.”

The responses have to be read to be believed. Here’s one of the more charming: “The murdered victims were in a church,” tweeted actor Wil Wheaton to Mr. Ryan. “If prayers did anything, they’d still be alive, you worthless sack of [expletive].”

Sen. Elizabeth Warren chose less inflammatory wording for her own tweet. “Thoughts & prayers are not enough, GOP,” wrote the Massachusetts Democrat. “We must end this violence. We must stop these tragedies. People are dying while you wait.” In short, if you are a Republican praying instead of passing gun control, you’ve got blood on your hands.

The Huffington Post devoted an entire piece to the phenomenon, under the headline “People Fed Up With ‘Thoughts and Prayers’ Demand Action After Texas Church Massacre.” It featured tweets from celebrities and gun-control advocates who believe they had discovered something big: Prayers aren’t always answered.

Here’s how these new theologians put it. Keith Olbermann: “*‘Thoughts and prayers’ again, @realDonaldTrump, idiot? These people were in CHURCH. They WERE praying.” Actress Marina Sirtis: “To all those asking for thoughts and prayers for the victims in #churchshooting, it seems that your direct line to God is not working.” Or MSNBC’s Joy Reid: “Remember when Jesus of Nazareth came upon thousands of hungry people, and rather than feeding them, thought and prayed?”

The smugness is illuminating in three important ways. First and most obvious, progressives simply cannot contain their distaste toward symbols and beliefs important to ordinary Americans. Until Sunday this columnist thought it impossible to match the obtuseness of millionaire athletes showing disrespect for the national anthem and the fans who pay their salaries. But give credit where it’s due: the thoughts-and-prayers police make the NFL protesters look like Gandhis.

Second, those doing the taunting apparently have no idea how childish their understanding of prayer is. As the families that come each week to the First Baptist Church appreciate, prayer is not a magic talisman against suffering. In a faith that commands its adherents to pick up their crosses, prayer is a way to praise the Almighty and, when necessary, ask for courage and resolve to do the right thing.


Finally, isn’t it curious how the same folks who blasted Mr. Trump for politicizing the recent attack in Manhattan by an Islamic terrorist are now denouncing prayer because of a political preference?

They believe the answer is federal gun control, and this is their right. But it’s hard not to notice they believe this with an absolute faith that seems immune to reason or evidence to the contrary—a secular faith even the most fervent Christian might envy. Or that in their disdain for prayer they ironically appear to have more in common with the shooter than his victims.

Surely it is possible to make the case for gun control without mocking prayer. But as with Mrs. Clinton and her infamous remarks about Trump voters—not only deplorable but irredeemable—those denouncing Messrs. Trump and Ryan’s offer of prayers don’t really want an argument. They want to express their feelings of moral superiority.

Never mind, too, that Barack Obama offered his “thoughts and prayers” as often as any president, such as after a 2013 shooting in Washington when he said, “We send our thoughts and prayers to all at the Navy Yard who’ve been touched by this tragedy.” No one complained then, either because they were comfortable that Mr. Obama didn’t really believe in prayer or his faith in gun control was absolute.

Over the next few weeks, the surviving members of the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs will wrap their fallen in love and lay them to rest. What these survivors may individually believe about gun control is anyone’s guess. But it’s hard to believe that the way to their hearts is by mocking offers of prayer, even from Republicans.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-dare-the-gop-pray-for-texas-1510012040
 
Some of those comments are ridiculous and go way too far, but I get why "thoughts and prayers" has become a focus point on this. It has just become a repetitive cycle, and it definitely isn't enough.

I don't know what the answer is on this stuff. I don't like that one guy can fire over 450 shots. I don't like that these kinds of incidents seem to be becoming more common. I support the 2nd, but don't know what it is about America that we have so much gun violence compared to most other countries.

I also don't like that Trump & the right have selective logic when it comes to mental health & extreme vetting.
 
Figure this will fire people up as the culture wars often do. I saw friends saying this on Facebook as well. The ultimate (sad) irony in this case is this man should not have been allowed to purchase a weapon except the gov't itself f'd up.




How Dare the GOP Pray for Texas

It is now deplorable to offer ‘thoughts and prayers’ for the First Baptist church families.


Imagine you are a sane Democrat who recognizes that a big reason Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump in November was that she alienated many members of the white working class. In the year since, you have been working on your fellow Democrats to change their message in hopes of wooing these voters back into the fold. Then a gunman opens fire at a Baptist church in Texas, and suddenly progressives are in full deplorable mode, attacking anyone who dares offer*.*.*. prayers.

This is the extraordinary turn of events since Devin Patrick Kelley turned his rifle on the innocent churchgoers inside First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. What provoked the left, if it can really be called a provocation, was President Trump’s statement from Japan Sunday, in which he said that “our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and families of today’s horrible and murderous attack.” House Speaker Paul Ryan likewise set off the furies by tweeting, “The people of Sutherland Springs need our prayers right now.”

The responses have to be read to be believed. Here’s one of the more charming: “The murdered victims were in a church,” tweeted actor Wil Wheaton to Mr. Ryan. “If prayers did anything, they’d still be alive, you worthless sack of [expletive].”

Sen. Elizabeth Warren chose less inflammatory wording for her own tweet. “Thoughts & prayers are not enough, GOP,” wrote the Massachusetts Democrat. “We must end this violence. We must stop these tragedies. People are dying while you wait.” In short, if you are a Republican praying instead of passing gun control, you’ve got blood on your hands.

The Huffington Post devoted an entire piece to the phenomenon, under the headline “People Fed Up With ‘Thoughts and Prayers’ Demand Action After Texas Church Massacre.” It featured tweets from celebrities and gun-control advocates who believe they had discovered something big: Prayers aren’t always answered.

Here’s how these new theologians put it. Keith Olbermann: “*‘Thoughts and prayers’ again, @realDonaldTrump, idiot? These people were in CHURCH. They WERE praying.” Actress Marina Sirtis: “To all those asking for thoughts and prayers for the victims in #churchshooting, it seems that your direct line to God is not working.” Or MSNBC’s Joy Reid: “Remember when Jesus of Nazareth came upon thousands of hungry people, and rather than feeding them, thought and prayed?”

The smugness is illuminating in three important ways. First and most obvious, progressives simply cannot contain their distaste toward symbols and beliefs important to ordinary Americans. Until Sunday this columnist thought it impossible to match the obtuseness of millionaire athletes showing disrespect for the national anthem and the fans who pay their salaries. But give credit where it’s due: the thoughts-and-prayers police make the NFL protesters look like Gandhis.

Second, those doing the taunting apparently have no idea how childish their understanding of prayer is. As the families that come each week to the First Baptist Church appreciate, prayer is not a magic talisman against suffering. In a faith that commands its adherents to pick up their crosses, prayer is a way to praise the Almighty and, when necessary, ask for courage and resolve to do the right thing.


Finally, isn’t it curious how the same folks who blasted Mr. Trump for politicizing the recent attack in Manhattan by an Islamic terrorist are now denouncing prayer because of a political preference?

They believe the answer is federal gun control, and this is their right. But it’s hard not to notice they believe this with an absolute faith that seems immune to reason or evidence to the contrary—a secular faith even the most fervent Christian might envy. Or that in their disdain for prayer they ironically appear to have more in common with the shooter than his victims.

Surely it is possible to make the case for gun control without mocking prayer. But as with Mrs. Clinton and her infamous remarks about Trump voters—not only deplorable but irredeemable—those denouncing Messrs. Trump and Ryan’s offer of prayers don’t really want an argument. They want to express their feelings of moral superiority.

Never mind, too, that Barack Obama offered his “thoughts and prayers” as often as any president, such as after a 2013 shooting in Washington when he said, “We send our thoughts and prayers to all at the Navy Yard who’ve been touched by this tragedy.” No one complained then, either because they were comfortable that Mr. Obama didn’t really believe in prayer or his faith in gun control was absolute.

Over the next few weeks, the surviving members of the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs will wrap their fallen in love and lay them to rest. What these survivors may individually believe about gun control is anyone’s guess. But it’s hard to believe that the way to their hearts is by mocking offers of prayer, even from Republicans.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-dare-the-gop-pray-for-texas-1510012040

It's the world we live in. People want nothing to do with God or respecting people of faith.........of course unless it's the Muslim faith which they'll defend to their collective deaths.

And, remember how the Dylan Roof case was screwed up also? Leave it to a government agency again. I think they had a wrong address or something that they sent his back paperwork to so, he ended up being able to make a gun purchase, too.
 
It's the world we live in. People want nothing to do with God or respecting people of faith.........of course unless it's the Muslim faith which they'll defend to their collective deaths.

And, remember how the Dylan Roof case was screwed up also? Leave it to a government agency again. I think they had a wrong address or something that they sent his back paperwork to so, he ended up being able to make a gun purchase, too.
Do you respect Muslims?

I respect people of faith until they don’t respect me, or try to force their religious beliefs into government policy.

Do you respect Agnostics and Atheist?
 
Figure this will fire people up as the culture wars often do. I saw friends saying this on Facebook as well. The ultimate (sad) irony in this case is this man should not have been allowed to purchase a weapon except the gov't itself f'd up.




How Dare the GOP Pray for Texas

It is now deplorable to offer ‘thoughts and prayers’ for the First Baptist church families.


Imagine you are a sane Democrat who recognizes that a big reason Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump in November was that she alienated many members of the white working class. In the year since, you have been working on your fellow Democrats to change their message in hopes of wooing these voters back into the fold. Then a gunman opens fire at a Baptist church in Texas, and suddenly progressives are in full deplorable mode, attacking anyone who dares offer*.*.*. prayers.

This is the extraordinary turn of events since Devin Patrick Kelley turned his rifle on the innocent churchgoers inside First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. What provoked the left, if it can really be called a provocation, was President Trump’s statement from Japan Sunday, in which he said that “our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and families of today’s horrible and murderous attack.” House Speaker Paul Ryan likewise set off the furies by tweeting, “The people of Sutherland Springs need our prayers right now.”

The responses have to be read to be believed. Here’s one of the more charming: “The murdered victims were in a church,” tweeted actor Wil Wheaton to Mr. Ryan. “If prayers did anything, they’d still be alive, you worthless sack of [expletive].”

Sen. Elizabeth Warren chose less inflammatory wording for her own tweet. “Thoughts & prayers are not enough, GOP,” wrote the Massachusetts Democrat. “We must end this violence. We must stop these tragedies. People are dying while you wait.” In short, if you are a Republican praying instead of passing gun control, you’ve got blood on your hands.

The Huffington Post devoted an entire piece to the phenomenon, under the headline “People Fed Up With ‘Thoughts and Prayers’ Demand Action After Texas Church Massacre.” It featured tweets from celebrities and gun-control advocates who believe they had discovered something big: Prayers aren’t always answered.

Here’s how these new theologians put it. Keith Olbermann: “*‘Thoughts and prayers’ again, @realDonaldTrump, idiot? These people were in CHURCH. They WERE praying.” Actress Marina Sirtis: “To all those asking for thoughts and prayers for the victims in #churchshooting, it seems that your direct line to God is not working.” Or MSNBC’s Joy Reid: “Remember when Jesus of Nazareth came upon thousands of hungry people, and rather than feeding them, thought and prayed?”

The smugness is illuminating in three important ways. First and most obvious, progressives simply cannot contain their distaste toward symbols and beliefs important to ordinary Americans. Until Sunday this columnist thought it impossible to match the obtuseness of millionaire athletes showing disrespect for the national anthem and the fans who pay their salaries. But give credit where it’s due: the thoughts-and-prayers police make the NFL protesters look like Gandhis.

Second, those doing the taunting apparently have no idea how childish their understanding of prayer is. As the families that come each week to the First Baptist Church appreciate, prayer is not a magic talisman against suffering. In a faith that commands its adherents to pick up their crosses, prayer is a way to praise the Almighty and, when necessary, ask for courage and resolve to do the right thing.


Finally, isn’t it curious how the same folks who blasted Mr. Trump for politicizing the recent attack in Manhattan by an Islamic terrorist are now denouncing prayer because of a political preference?

They believe the answer is federal gun control, and this is their right. But it’s hard not to notice they believe this with an absolute faith that seems immune to reason or evidence to the contrary—a secular faith even the most fervent Christian might envy. Or that in their disdain for prayer they ironically appear to have more in common with the shooter than his victims.

Surely it is possible to make the case for gun control without mocking prayer. But as with Mrs. Clinton and her infamous remarks about Trump voters—not only deplorable but irredeemable—those denouncing Messrs. Trump and Ryan’s offer of prayers don’t really want an argument. They want to express their feelings of moral superiority.

Never mind, too, that Barack Obama offered his “thoughts and prayers” as often as any president, such as after a 2013 shooting in Washington when he said, “We send our thoughts and prayers to all at the Navy Yard who’ve been touched by this tragedy.” No one complained then, either because they were comfortable that Mr. Obama didn’t really believe in prayer or his faith in gun control was absolute.

Over the next few weeks, the surviving members of the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs will wrap their fallen in love and lay them to rest. What these survivors may individually believe about gun control is anyone’s guess. But it’s hard to believe that the way to their hearts is by mocking offers of prayer, even from Republicans.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-dare-the-gop-pray-for-texas-1510012040

In short, how are those prayers working? Same as with Terry Schiavo.

Obviously, falling on deaf ears, no ears or a malevolent (not benevolent) god.
 
Do you respect Muslims?

I respect people of faith until they don’t respect me, or try to force their religious beliefs into government policy.

Do you respect Agnostics and Atheist?

Judging from Muslims trying to violently force radical Islam and death on the entire world with their sharia law over the last few years, no I don't suppose I respect Islamism very much in total.
Same sentiment towards radical atheism (again, in total) as well for its intolerance and destructive attempts to rip apart Christians.

Now, if you have read my simple brief post correctly you'll notice I did not say individually and I did not say anything about hating the people themselves.

As a Christian I can not hate a human being. Christ removed that desire of hate when he came into my heart and forgave me for my sins. A true Christian prays for their enemy. The lesson is to hate the sin, but love the sinner. Righteous anger and hatred of deeds and actions is one thing, but the important thing is to love human beings and pray for them.
 
Judging from Muslims trying to violently force radical Islam and death on the entire world with their sharia law over the last few years, no I don't suppose I respect Islamism very much in total.
Same sentiment towards radical atheism (again, in total) as well for its intolerance and destructive attempts to rip apart Christians.

Now, if you have read my simple brief post correctly you'll notice I did not say individually and I did not say anything about hating the people themselves.

As a Christian I can not hate a human being. Christ removed that desire of hate when he came into my heart and forgave me for my sins. A true Christian prays for their enemy. The lesson is to hate the sin, but love the sinner. Righteous anger and hatred of deeds and actions is one thing, but the important thing is to love human beings and pray for them.

Loads of generalization in there. Just loads.
 
Judging from Muslims trying to violently force radical Islam and death on the entire world with their sharia law over the last few years, no I don't suppose I respect Islamism very much in total.
Same sentiment towards radical atheism (again, in total) as well for its intolerance and destructive attempts to rip apart Christians.

Now, if you have read my simple brief post correctly you'll notice I did not say individually and I did not say anything about hating the people themselves.

As a Christian I can not hate a human being. Christ removed that desire of hate when he came into my heart and forgave me for my sins. A true Christian prays for their enemy. The lesson is to hate the sin, but love the sinner. Righteous anger and hatred of deeds and actions is one thing, but the important thing is to love human beings and pray for them.
I guess people won’t respect you until you respect them, it seems you want respect, but won’t give it in return. I have noticed this about a lot of Christians, it’s a one way street with many of you.
 
Judging from Muslims trying to violently force radical Islam and death on the entire world with their sharia law over the last few years, no I don't suppose I respect Islamism very much in total.
Same sentiment towards radical atheism (again, in total) as well for its intolerance and destructive attempts to rip apart Christians.

Now, if you have read my simple brief post correctly you'll notice I did not say individually and I did not say anything about hating the people themselves.

As a Christian I can not hate a human being. Christ removed that desire of hate when he came into my heart and forgave me for my sins. A true Christian prays for their enemy. The lesson is to hate the sin, but love the sinner. Righteous anger and hatred of deeds and actions is one thing, but the important thing is to love human beings and pray for them.
Well that does not alwAys show through...

Often it comes across as intolerance, ignorance and simple hate.... Not saying you.....
 
That is what is refered to as framing, the people saying such were not attacking prayer, as the article and comments that followed suggest, rather the employment of the cliche, "thoughts and prayers," that is echoed every time after a shooting to put off dealing with the issues surrounding guns

The article is nothing but another deflection
 
Many Christians are nothing more than cherry-pickers. They choose the parts that they want and leave the rest.
 
I guess people won’t respect you until you respect them, it seems you want respect, but won’t give it in return. I have noticed this about a lot of Christians, it’s a one way street with many of you.

Don't know why I bothered offering you an extremely simple explanation. You don't get it, it's too simple for you grasp. Went to great lengths, even italicized the specific words to draw the difference between the TOTAL AS A GROUP and THE INDIVIDUAL.

You either can't read or comprehend or just want to instigate a fight or foster hate.
 
That is what is refered to as framing, the people saying such were not attacking prayer, as the article and comments that followed suggest, rather the employment of the cliche, "thoughts and prayers," that is echoed every time after a shooting to put off dealing with the issues surrounding guns

The article is nothing but another deflection

Nice try dude. You think people only say thoughts and prayers after gun shootings but no other parts of life? And again, a cliché? You don't have to be religious and you don't have to believe in prayer but the article is speaking exactly about people like you. You mock it, call it cliché and deflection and then wonder why people don't vote the same as you.
 
Don't know why I bothered offering you an extremely simple explanation. You don't get it, it's too simple for you grasp. Went to great lengths, even italicized the specific words to draw the difference between the TOTAL AS A GROUP and THE INDIVIDUAL.

You either can't read or comprehend or just want to instigate a fight or foster hate.
Seems like I’m not the only one, there were others that responded to your post. Like I said you Want respect for your religion, but want to judge others individually.

I grasp people like you completely.
 
That is what is refered to as framing, the people saying such were not attacking prayer, as the article and comments that followed suggest, rather the employment of the cliche, "thoughts and prayers," that is echoed every time after a shooting to put off dealing with the issues surrounding guns

The article is nothing but another deflection

again... what would you like to see done about the 'issues surrounding guns'? Why is it everytime, you and those of similar mindsets turn to mocking those offering prayers instead of providing us the law that would prevent these events from occurring?
 
Bullshit. Sane Democrats know that Hillary hadn't a prayer with the white working class unemployed joe sixpack Mexican bashing, Islam bashing bigots and misogynists before she aptly labeled them deplorables..

Stopped reading there.
 
Bullshit. Sane Democrats know that Hillary hadn't a prayer with the white working class unemployed joe sixpack Mexican bashing, Islam bashing bigots and misogynists before she aptly labeled them deplorables..

Stopped reading there.

You don't have to read anything you don't want to read but you're just doubling down on why she lost.
 
Loads of generalization in there. Just loads.

Yep, for openers the branding Islam with the stain of the terrorists who claim Islam.
Just who the hell do these Islam bashers think would really win the culture war if a quarter of the world's population were terrorists.

1.5 billion Muslims are not terrorists.

Second, the old testament is certainly not a book of love. It is a book of obedience and a wrathful jealous and petty tyrant who expresses love in the way
a jealous wife beating child beating abusive spouse does. Not admirable. As the Koran was cobbled together even after the old testement, not having read it,
I'd wager its text is no more facially obominable than the Christian bible.
 
Yep, for openers the branding Islam with the stain of the terrorists who claim Islam.
Just who the hell do these Islam bashers think would really win the culture war if a quarter of the world's population were terrorists.

1.5 billion Muslims are not terrorists.

Second, the old testament is certainly not a book of love. It is a book of obedience and a wrathful jealous and petty tyrant who expresses love in the way
a jealous wife beating child beating abusive spouse does. Not admirable. As the Koran was cobbled together even after the old testement, not having read it,
I'd wager its text is no more facially obominable than the Christian bible.
Islam borrowed much from both Islam and Christianity. Mohammad was influenced by both religions.
 
You don't have to read anything you don't want to read but you're just doubling down on why she lost.

I guess so. The times make the man, and this is Trump's time. That is extremely sad commentary about this sick country we presently live in.
I don't respect this president. I don't recognize him as president. I have no respect for anyone who voted for him. It's disgusting and unAmerican.
I'm just holding my breath, waiting for the nightmare to be over. There is so much hate for that human, you have no idea. He's a Nazi without a brain.
 
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