Bernie and Hillary are then morons too by your logic
Asian Pivot Redux
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On TPP, absolutely.
better we should ignore the Philippines and not recommit to security agreements in the South China Sea?
They are our 3rd largest trade partner in Asia. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face!
China can be contained.
One thing we need to do is quit pinning our security agreements with Pakistan, and move closer to India -
even if it's a BRICs nation.
The whole idea in the S. China Sea is to push back on the 10 dash line -
and we need the littoral states and Vietnam for that
Deurte is executing thousands without due process, and has admitted to murdering people with his bare hands. Trump applauds this.
By Trump? LOL, China is going to walk the dog over Trump's face, and already has.
TPP is not to our economic advantage.
It's a giveaway to corps-it undermines our sovereignty. The only real reason to join was to push back on China's RCEP. It's too high a price,and it's why we are looking to improve our bi-lateral agreements instead
That's upto the Philippines to deal with.
we are not going to damage trade (sanctions) or security agreements for their human rights problems.
Those days are gone
China is a tough cookie, and we need them to sanction NK ( which we just got) .
China isn't going to get everything it wants, nor will we - it's an ongoing process
Welcome to America, which stands for nothing except GDP and oil. Fuck your America.
fuck that neocon noise
TPP would have given America a dominating influence in writing economic trade policies which will shape the future. Ending TPP is simply a blowjob to China.
Never forget you are closer to being a neoconservative than I am on my worst day. You support 2/3 of the Axis of Evil nonsense which Rumsfeld and Cheney touted in 2003. The only difference between you and the worst neocon on the planet is that you embrace Russia and Putin with your full throat.
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Robert Reich, no friend of Trump, thought that TPP would have been a disaster. What do you know that he doesn't? Now that we are leaving the EU, the UK won't be signing up fir the Trans-Atlantic equivalent TTIP either.
http://robertreich.org/post/107257859130
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if it was so wondeful why the fast-tracking? "you have to pass it to see what's in it" Pelosi logic?? No thanks.
NAFTA, CAFTA have driven down wages, and outsourced jobs..we've been there. it doesn't work to our advantage
Ridiculous. I loathe "bomb bomb bomb" McCain. he can't be dead soon enough.
The Dems have embraced his evil soul for political convenience -fuck that noise too.
Realpolitik isn't embracing anyone. It's a nationalist foreign policy. It's how the world works. It is what it is.
Unlike your human rights crap where you bend over backwards to fuck your own self-interests
Look at your policies and compare them with the neocon policies of 2003 - 2007. It's all about demonizing Iran, giving full support to Israel and Saudi Arabia, and of course putting North Korea on your attack radar. The only difference is that you embrace Russia. That's it. You hate McCain, but you hate any deal with Iran that prevents and forestalls war. You are aligned with neocons at every turn, and that you can't or won't see this is quite amusing.
Sadly I must agree with that. Of course we are not the only ones who are watching our sun set as China's rises.... unfortunately though with the current "leadership" (hahaha), the only way they can see to "Make America Great Again" is to ditch all the things that make us great. Starting with liberty and freedom.
bullcrap, the various asian countries were desperate to off set chinese power and our negotiators toke advantage of it. your white nationalism has gotten in the way of our economic progress. grow the eff up. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...35afb41797f_story.html?utm_term=.eb92cb0238df
idiotic. you should worry about your ideas not mine.
for the record I do not fully support Israel's "mowing the grass of Gaza"
( and the Palestinians are pawns of the Arabs} they don't care about them either) -
but that's no excuse for Israels attacking UN schools and such in Gaza.
I could care less about "Iranian nukes" - Iran is a rational actor unlike lil Kim -Iran won't use nukes.
They don't have to -having fully established a Shi'a Crescent under Obama ( hegemony)
lil Kim is a fruitcake -he IS an existential threat, and not just to the US. The world agrees with us there.
as to Saudi Arabia -did you see what your Houthi pals in Yemen are up to thanks to Iranian proxy funding and arming?
SA is forced to go into Yemen , thanks to Iran- the destabilizing/hegemonious state in the region
Saudi Arabia: Missile intercepted near Riyadh
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41872995
Saudi Arabia says it has intercepted a ballistic missile fired from Yemen, after a loud explosion was heard near Riyadh airport on Saturday evening.
The missile was destroyed over the capital and fragments landed in the airport area, officials quoted by the official Saudi Press Agency said.
A TV channel linked to Houthi rebels in Yemen said the missile was fired at the King Khalid International Airport.
Saudi forces have reported shooting down Houthi missiles in the past , though none has come so close to a major population centre.
Trump, Putin to meet and discuss North Korea
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/president-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-meeting/index.html
Tokyo (CNN)President Donald Trump will seek to enlist his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin this week on a mission to confront an increasingly truculent North Korea during their second face-to-face meeting.
Trump said aboard Air Force One as he winged toward Japan on Sunday that he expected the sit-down to occur on the sidelines of a summit for Asia-Pacific leaders in Vietnam, which is due to begin Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/president-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-meeting/index.html
Tokyo (CNN)President Donald Trump will seek to enlist his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin this week on a mission to confront an increasingly truculent North Korea during their second face-to-face meeting.
Trump said aboard Air Force One as he winged toward Japan on Sunday that he expected the sit-down to occur on the sidelines of a summit for Asia-Pacific leaders in Vietnam, which is due to begin Thursday.
A White House news release announcing the upcoming trip stated that Trump’s travels would demonstrate “continued commitment to the alliances and partnerships of the United States in the region.”
In a part of the world where showing up and “face time” matter greatly, Trump’s multicountry itinerary is significant. At the very least, it signals that his administration remains vested in the region. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis also traveled to Asia in October, attending the ASEAN Defense Ministerial Meeting and making stops in Thailand, South Korea and the Philippines.
rump’s Asia trip arrives on the heels of reinvigorated domestic leadership in Japan and China. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s decisive electoral victory Oct. 22 may give him a mandate to expand Japan’s regional security role. Abe is already carrying the TPP mantle forward with the 11 remaining partners in the absence of the United States. Some Asian countries, in fact, see Abe as the “adult in the room” when it comes to regional governance.
China’s 19th Party Congress in mid-October cemented President Xi Jinping’s leadership — and unveiled a more assertive regional and global role for China. Xi spoke of a new “balance” in Asia and announced China’s long-term vision of being a “global leader in terms of comprehensive national power and international influence.” Xi’s proclamation made it clear that China will seek the opportunity to fill any power vacuum.
Trump is expected to strengthen his rapport with both Xi and Abe, and also look to deepen ties with other Asian allies. He has hosted several Asian leaders in his first year in office, most recently Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. In June, Trump hosted South Korea’s newly elected President Moon Jae-in at the White House. Trump stepped back from plans to visit Korea’s demilitarized zone next week, but he will meet with Moon in Seoul.
3) Forging a stronger consensus on North Korea’s nuclear threat
With Moon, Xi, Abe and other leaders at the ASEAN meeting, Trump will look for allies and partners to “strengthen the international resolve to confront the North Korean threat” and move toward a denuclearized Korean Peninsula.
Trump acknowledged China’s support in tightening sanctions on North Korea but believes Beijing must do more to persuade North Korea to take steps toward denuclearization. Trump has an opportunity to make this appeal directly to Xi.
Trump will also push Moon, who continues to look for small opportunities for engagement with North Korea, to apply more pressure against the regime in Pyongyang. Trump will probably reinforce this message with ASEAN leaders — collective action against North Korea will be an easier selling point than ASEAN rallying against Beijing’s South China Sea claims.
rump has been incessant in his criticism of U.S. trade imbalances and will no doubt hammer that message hard at the APEC summit in Vietnam. With Japan, Trump seeks a bilateral free trade agreement (FTA), a proposal raised in his first meeting with Abe at Mar-a-Lago in February. Abe may not reject a bilateral FTA outright, but it would be at odds with his hopes to keep alive the TPP deal, which Trump referred to as a “disaster” and “rape” against the American people.
Trump will also lobby Moon and the National Assembly for an improved bilateral trade deal with South Korea. The two sides are renegotiating the 2012 KORUS FTA. Trump’s close associates have persuaded him not to scrap what he referred to as a “horrible” trade agreement. However, the president may make a point of highlighting the widening U.S. goods trade deficit with South Korea, which grew from $13.2 billion to $27.6 billion since KORUS.
Likewise, Trump will address perennial trade issues with China and call on Xi to “rectify” barriers to U.S. commercial engagement in China. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross will lead a delegation of 29 U.S. CEOs during Trump’s visit to China, reinforcing the White House’s determination to level the playing field on trade with the largest U.S. trading partner. The White House has made no secret of its wish to rein in the large U.S. goods deficit with China, estimated at more than $300 billion in 2016.
It’s an ambitious agenda, a lot of miles and a lot of diplomacy for 11 days.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-trip-is-so-important/?utm_term=.0992405c8526
In a part of the world where showing up and “face time” matter greatly, Trump’s multicountry itinerary is significant. At the very least, it signals that his administration remains vested in the region. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis also traveled to Asia in October, attending the ASEAN Defense Ministerial Meeting and making stops in Thailand, South Korea and the Philippines.
rump’s Asia trip arrives on the heels of reinvigorated domestic leadership in Japan and China. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s decisive electoral victory Oct. 22 may give him a mandate to expand Japan’s regional security role. Abe is already carrying the TPP mantle forward with the 11 remaining partners in the absence of the United States. Some Asian countries, in fact, see Abe as the “adult in the room” when it comes to regional governance.
China’s 19th Party Congress in mid-October cemented President Xi Jinping’s leadership — and unveiled a more assertive regional and global role for China. Xi spoke of a new “balance” in Asia and announced China’s long-term vision of being a “global leader in terms of comprehensive national power and international influence.” Xi’s proclamation made it clear that China will seek the opportunity to fill any power vacuum.
Trump is expected to strengthen his rapport with both Xi and Abe, and also look to deepen ties with other Asian allies. He has hosted several Asian leaders in his first year in office, most recently Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. In June, Trump hosted South Korea’s newly elected President Moon Jae-in at the White House. Trump stepped back from plans to visit Korea’s demilitarized zone next week, but he will meet with Moon in Seoul.
3) Forging a stronger consensus on North Korea’s nuclear threat
With Moon, Xi, Abe and other leaders at the ASEAN meeting, Trump will look for allies and partners to “strengthen the international resolve to confront the North Korean threat” and move toward a denuclearized Korean Peninsula.
Trump acknowledged China’s support in tightening sanctions on North Korea but believes Beijing must do more to persuade North Korea to take steps toward denuclearization. Trump has an opportunity to make this appeal directly to Xi.
Trump will also push Moon, who continues to look for small opportunities for engagement with North Korea, to apply more pressure against the regime in Pyongyang. Trump will probably reinforce this message with ASEAN leaders — collective action against North Korea will be an easier selling point than ASEAN rallying against Beijing’s South China Sea claims.
rump has been incessant in his criticism of U.S. trade imbalances and will no doubt hammer that message hard at the APEC summit in Vietnam. With Japan, Trump seeks a bilateral free trade agreement (FTA), a proposal raised in his first meeting with Abe at Mar-a-Lago in February. Abe may not reject a bilateral FTA outright, but it would be at odds with his hopes to keep alive the TPP deal, which Trump referred to as a “disaster” and “rape” against the American people.
Trump will also lobby Moon and the National Assembly for an improved bilateral trade deal with South Korea. The two sides are renegotiating the 2012 KORUS FTA. Trump’s close associates have persuaded him not to scrap what he referred to as a “horrible” trade agreement. However, the president may make a point of highlighting the widening U.S. goods trade deficit with South Korea, which grew from $13.2 billion to $27.6 billion since KORUS.
Likewise, Trump will address perennial trade issues with China and call on Xi to “rectify” barriers to U.S. commercial engagement in China. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross will lead a delegation of 29 U.S. CEOs during Trump’s visit to China, reinforcing the White House’s determination to level the playing field on trade with the largest U.S. trading partner. The White House has made no secret of its wish to rein in the large U.S. goods deficit with China, estimated at more than $300 billion in 2016.
It’s an ambitious agenda, a lot of miles and a lot of diplomacy for 11 days.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-trip-is-so-important/?utm_term=.0992405c8526