Civil Rights protests are always unpopular, but almost always win in the end.

cawacko said:
To me, the minute you mention Trump you lose sight of what the protest was all about. Kaepernick started kneeling during the Obama Administration. It was about police brutality not Trump. Now Trump inserted himself into the story but by focusing on him you're losing.

The Undefeated did a piece on black veterans who supported what the players are protesting but didn't support kneeling for the flag. So support or not support of kneeling is strictly a right or left thing is not accurate.
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Actually if Trump hadn’t of inserted himself into the story it would probably be dead and forgotten but by politicizing it he gave it far more press than it would have received otherwise so mentioning Trump is relevant.
 
Thing1 said:
"Morally imperative?"

Equal treatment under the law. Seems kinda necessary to me.
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it is. the protests lack a message -police violence seems to be what it was before
now it's "unity" etc, and that's all lost in the conflict of the kneeling and the noise around it anyhow
 
noise said:
it is. the protests lack a message -police violence seems to be what it was before
now it's "unity" etc, and that's all lost in the conflict of the kneeling and the noise around it
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Again - you're purposefully making it seem more complex and ambiguous than it is. The "unity" they're talking about is as a group. Effective protests have generally had that quality; I'm sure Vietnam protestors talked about staying unified, as well. It's not 2 different messages.

And I wouldn't say it's just police brutality either. Kaep talked about oppression in general. I think it's a clumsy word to use, but I get the sentiment. I don't think a lot of people really understand what it's like to live in the black community in terms of the relationship to authority, myself included. I heard a guy last night talking about how every parent in that community eventually has to have "the talk" with their kids, and I have heard that a lot over the years. It's a talk white parents aren't familiar with, and do not need to have.
 
Thing1 said:
Again - you're purposefully making it seem more complex and ambiguous than it is. The "unity" they're talking about is as a group. Effective protests have generally had that quality; I'm sure Vietnam protestors talked about staying unified, as well. It's not 2 different messages.

And I wouldn't say it's just police brutality either. Kaep talked about oppression in general. I think it's a clumsy word to use, but I get the sentiment. I don't think a lot of people really understand what it's like to live in the black community in terms of the relationship to authority, myself included. I heard a guy last night talking about how every parent in that community eventually has to have "the talk" with their kids, and I have heard that a lot over the years. It's a talk white parents aren't familiar with, and do not need to have.
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You heard a guy? Do you have proof of what you heard or do you simply expect people to believe you because you say you heard it?

My parents didn't specifically have a talk related to the police with me. They didn't need to. They instilled in me certain general concepts that I was able to apply to many situations. Are you saying black kids can't learn such things as well as white kid? Maybe it's because so many of the black ones don't have but one parent around and quite often she pushes the kids off on grandma to raise while she's out producing more bastards.
 
Thing1 said:
Again - you're purposefully making it seem more complex and ambiguous than it is. The "unity" they're talking about is as a group. Effective protests have generally had that quality; I'm sure Vietnam protestors talked about staying unified, as well. It's not 2 different messages.

And I wouldn't say it's just police brutality either. Kaep talked about oppression in general. I think it's a clumsy word to use, but I get the sentiment. I don't think a lot of people really understand what it's like to live in the black community in terms of the relationship to authority, myself included. I heard a guy last night talking about how every parent in that community eventually has to have "the talk" with their kids, and I have heard that a lot over the years. It's a talk white parents aren't familiar with, and do not need to have.
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unity is a tactic not a message, and no we really didn't talk about unity as much as conflict with cops and how to get out the message.
There were many tactics used.
I think police violence is the underlying message,but even that isn't going to give reform
It's the court system that will not indict ( grand juries) that is being protested ( i think?)
 
Thing1 said:
Again - you're purposefully making it seem more complex and ambiguous than it is. The "unity" they're talking about is as a group. Effective protests have generally had that quality; I'm sure Vietnam protestors talked about staying unified, as well. It's not 2 different messages.

And I wouldn't say it's just police brutality either. Kaep talked about oppression in general. I think it's a clumsy word to use, but I get the sentiment. I don't think a lot of people really understand what it's like to live in the black community in terms of the relationship to authority, myself included. I heard a guy last night talking about how every parent in that community eventually has to have "the talk" with their kids, and I have heard that a lot over the years. It's a talk white parents aren't familiar with, and do not need to have.
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What oppression? You pampered fucks don’t know what real oppression is.

You throw around words as if they have no meaning
 
noise said:
unity is a tactic not a message, and no we really didn't talk about unity as much as conflict with cops and how to get out the message.
There were many tactics used.
I think police violence is the underlying message,but even that isn't going to give reform
It's the court system that will not indict ( grand juries) that is being protested ( i think?)
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Police have more to fear from black men than the reverse. That is statistical fact
 
Teflon Don said:
What oppression? You pampered fucks don’t know what real oppression is.

You throw around words as if they have no meaning
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Um, dopey? I said it was a clumsy word to use. I don't agree w/ the use of that word.

But, blacks are treated differently than whites by authority, in a negative way. I don't see how anyone could oppose that community vocalizing their desire for equal rights & equal treatment under the law.
 
Thing1 said:
Um, dopey? I said it was a clumsy word to use. I don't agree w/ the use of that word.

But, blacks are treated differently than whites by authority, in a negative way. I don't see how anyone could oppose that community vocalizing their desire for equal rights & equal treatment under the law.
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Their actions demand it.
You approach a non venomous snake differently than a venomous one.
This is cause and effect. How they get treated is a direct result of how they behave.
 
Celticguy said:
Their actions demand it.
You approach a non venomous snake differently than a venomous one.
This is cause and effect. How they get treated is a direct result of how they behave.
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Anyone who knows me on this board knows that I'm not a racebaiter. But that one is legit racist.
 
Thing1 said:
Anyone who knows me on this board knows that I'm not a racebaiter. But that one is legit racist.
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Are you really saying that you don’t act differently if you see a group of black teens walking toward you? I call you a liar if you say yes
 
Thing1 said:
Um, dopey? I said it was a clumsy word to use. I don't agree w/ the use of that word.

But, blacks are treated differently than whites by authority, in a negative way. I don't see how anyone could oppose that community vocalizing their desire for equal rights & equal treatment under the law.
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You fail to recognize that blacks act differently toward authority, in a negative way, prior to any treatment by that authority.
 
Celticguy said:
Their actions demand it.
You approach a non venomous snake differently than a venomous one.
This is cause and effect. How they get treated is a direct result of how they behave.
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Exactly. What Thingy forgets, or more like ignores, is that someone having the you only stopped me because I'm black attitude is going to get treated differently than someone, regardless of color, that is respectful and doesn't act like an asshole.
 
Sailor said:
Obviously someone is acting differently. Sounds to me like a couple of "tough" white guys are scared shitless about some black teens. Go figure.
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I act the same as I always have. It's the uncivilized blacks that choose to act otherwise.

You should check your "hearing" is that's what you think it sounds like.
 
CFM said:
I act the same as I always have. It's the uncivilized blacks that choose to act otherwise.

You should check your "hearing" is that's what you think it sounds like.
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Nothing wrong my hearing. Loud and clear as to what it really means.
 
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