Civil Rights protests are always unpopular, but almost always win in the end.

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Amadeus

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I love being on the right side of history, as a liberal, almost 100% of the time. History will remember Trump and his supporters as the villains in this story.

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We don’t have any polling specifically about Trump’s recent NFL comments, but a Quinnipiac University poll from 2016 found that only 38 percent of those surveyed approved of players choosing not to stand during the anthem. But while these NFL protests may be unpopular right now, particularly with white people,1 similar protests in the past — involving race, civil rights and varying definitions of patriotism — came to be viewed much more positively after the fact.

Marches for civil rights during the 1960s were generally seen negatively at the time. As the Washington Post noted last year, most Americans didn’t approve of the Freedom Riders, the March on Washington in 1963 or other similar protests. In fact, many Americans thought that these protests would hurt the advancement of civil rights. In addition, but many Americans held mixed-to-negative views of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. In a 1966 Gallup survey, 63 percent of Americans gave King a negative score on a scale from -5 to +5. Now, the civil rights marches are viewed as major successes, and just 4 percent of Americans rated King negatively on that same scale in a 2011 Gallup poll.

Many Americans also viewed gay rights marchers during the AIDS epidemic negatively. According to Business Insider, the March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation in April 1993 drew more than 800,000 people fighting against discrimination and seeking more funding for AIDS research. But in a Newsweek survey conducted at the time, only 23 percent of Americans thought that the demonstration did more good than harm in the fight for gay rights. Today, gay rights organizations celebrate the march, same-sex marriage is legal and much of the platform demanded by protesters seems mainstream.
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The other lens through which to view the anthem protests — the lens Trump has used — is that they are un-American. But here, too, public opinion can shift. The Vietnam War provides a stark example. It’s now viewed as a mistake in which government officials misled the American public. During the Vietnam protests in the late 1960s, though, most Americans didn’t feel that way. Some 500,000 people marched on Washington on Nov. 15, 1969. Just 19 percent of Americans approved of these marches, according to a November 1969 CBS News poll. A whopping 77 percent disapproved of the protests. In other words, the current protests being held during the national anthem are far more popular than some of the marches conducted during the height of the Vietnam War.

But you don’t have to go back 50 years years to find a major war protest that Americans reversed themselves on. In the lead-up to the Iraq War, millions of people around the globe took to the streets to march against it. Most Americans (58 percent) disagreed with the viewpoints the protesters were articulating, according to a January 2003 Gallup poll. In fact, a minority (26 percent), including some who agreed with the protesters’ goals, said they shouldn’t even be marching. Then the actual war got under way and thousands of soldiers began dying. After just two years at war, Gallup found that a majority of Americans fairly consistently thought the war a mistake.
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...now-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyll-end-that-way/
 
kneeling is suddenly going to become popular like an anti-war stance won over public opinion during Vietnam and Iraq?
on what planet?
 
noise said:
kneeling
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You're comparing the physical act of kneeling, and not the protest, to two other protests. Are you being intentionally disingenuous or are you simply stupid?

The players are using their sport to protest, are doing so peacefully, and with minimal (basically zero) disruption. Seems like you are getting a bargain compared to the 1960s.
 
To me, the minute you mention Trump you lose sight of what the protest was all about. Kaepernick started kneeling during the Obama Administration. It was about police brutality not Trump. Now Trump inserted himself into the story but by focusing on him you're losing.

The Undefeated did a piece on black veterans who supported what the players are protesting but didn't support kneeling for the flag. So support or not support of kneeling is strictly a right or left thing is not accurate.
 
Amadeus said:
I love being on the right side of history, as a liberal, almost 100% of the time. History will remember Trump and his supporters as the villains in this story.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...now-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyll-end-that-way/
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All people in this country are equal under the law, BLM isn't a civil rights movement it is a racist terrorist organization based on the proven lie of hands up don't shoot. Blacks are killed by police in nearly identical proportion to the number of felonies they commit, the same goes for whites, blacks have the same socio-economic mobility as whites of the same tax bracket if they 1) come from a 2 parent household and 2) graduate from highschool.
 
cawacko said:
To me, the minute you mention Trump you lose sight of what the protest was all about. Kaepernick started kneeling during the Obama Administration. It was about police brutality not Trump. Now Trump inserted himself into the story but by focusing on him you're losing.

The Undefeated did a piece on black veterans who supported what the players are protesting but didn't support kneeling for the flag. So support or not support of kneeling is strictly a right or left thing is not accurate.
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So, if we all don't ignore dump, the protest is meaningless?

Please explain how the protest gets off track if we mention dump when he inserted himself into this?

You should be telling dump to stfu.
 
TTQ64 said:
So, if we all don't ignore dump, the protest is meaningless?

Please explain how the protest gets off track if we mention dump when he inserted himself into this?

You should be telling dump to stfu.
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What was the goal of Kaepernick's protest?

When people instead talk about Trump and the NFL vs. Trump do you feel that helps or hinders Kaepernick's message?
 
I remember reading about the emancipation movement of the 19th century.

I remember that DEMOCRATS tried to stop the movement, but Republicans forced them to accept black people as free citizens.

I remember reading about the Jim Crow movement of the 19th and 20th centuries.

I remember that DEMOCRATS tried to make Jim Crow stick, but Republicans forced them to stop.

I remember reading about the Civil Rights protests in the Sixties.

I remember that DEMOCRATS tried to stop the movement, but Republicans forced them to accept desegregation.
 
noise said:
kneeling is suddenly going to become popular like an anti-war stance won over public opinion during Vietnam and Iraq?
on what planet?
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You miss the point.

The form of protest doesn't matter - any protest for equal rights has generally been met w/ fierce resistance, throughout not just our history but world history.

You're on the wrong side of that history.

As I always say - progressive thought always prevails in the end.
 
cawacko said:
What was the goal of Kaepernick's protest?

When people instead talk about Trump and the NFL vs. Trump do you feel that helps or hinders Kaepernick's message?
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How do you feel about dump inserting himself?

You wouldn't be able to deflect to dump, if he didn't insert himself right?
 
TTQ64 said:
How do you feel about dump inserting himself?

You wouldn't be able to deflect to dump, if he didn't insert himself right?
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I feel the government, and the President, has no place in telling the NFL what to do.

You didn't answer what the goal of Kaepernick's protest was and if focusing on the President helps or hinders that
 
God bless America said:
I remember reading about the emancipation movement of the 19th century.
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It's true that the Democrats used to be the party of Southern racists. Then the Republicans took over during the Southern Strategy, and Democrats embraced the civil rights movement. Black people have largely not forgotten the betrayal of the Republican party.

Southern racists remained southern racists.


Check around 2:20 for a history lesson.
 
Amadoofus said:
It's true that the Democrats used to be the party of Southern racists. Then the Republicans took over during the Southern Strategy, and Democrats embraced the civil rights movement. Black people have largely not forgotten the betrayal of the Republican party. Southern racists remained southern racists.
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I don't see any history, Canadian. I see biased commentators spouting agenda-driven opinions presented as history.

Let's see the historical evidence that supports your contentions.

Maybe you can find something from Game of Thrones.

:rofl2:
 
Thing1 said:
You miss the point. The form of protest doesn't matter - any protest for equal rights has generally been met w/ fierce resistance, throughout not just our history but world history. You're on the wrong side of that history. As I always say - progressive thought always prevails in the end.
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Death and decay always prevail in the end, little Thingy. Not something I want to stop resisting as long as I can.
 
God bless America said:
I remember reading about the emancipation movement of the 19th century.

I remember that DEMOCRATS tried to stop the movement, but Republicans forced them to accept black people as free citizens.

I remember reading about the Jim Crow movement of the 19th and 20th centuries.

I remember that DEMOCRATS tried to make Jim Crow stick, but Republicans forced them to stop.

I remember reading about the Civil Rights protests in the Sixties.

I remember that DEMOCRATS tried to stop the movement, but Republicans forced them to accept desegregation.
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lol

All the Democrats you mentioned from those eras were conservatives. Now, they're still conservative, but they're called Republicans.

That's been explained to you morons numerous times, but it still hasn't sunk in. No surprises there.

Change your reading material, illiterate, or have a 10 year old explain it all to you. We're well aware of your lousy comprehension skills.
 
Amadeus said:
It's true that the Democrats used to be the party of Southern racists. Then the Republicans took over during the Southern Strategy, and Democrats embraced the civil rights movement. Black people have largely not forgotten the betrayal of the Republican party.

Southern racists remained southern racists.


Check around 2:20 for a history lesson.
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The RW lacks any historical knowledge or perspective. They rely on the labels rather than the philosophy.
 
Thing1 said:
You miss the point.

The form of protest doesn't matter - any protest for equal rights has generally been met w/ fierce resistance, throughout not just our history but world history.

You're on the wrong side of that history.

As I always say - progressive thought always prevails in the end.
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Many of them aren't protest for civil rights but for special rights. History proves that.
 
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