Kim Jong Un is kinda justified in his thinking. NK should become a nuclear power.

noise said:
by all means continue your delusions of "human rights" as a viable foreign policy, you might add some unicorns and smiley emoticons to that junk noise :)
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As I said, it's easy to be successful in your policy and goals when you aim low. If you stand for nothing, then why should you or anyone like you be a leader in life or in the international community?
 
Amadeus said:
As I said, it's easy to be successful in your policy and goals when you aim low. If you stand for nothing, then why should you or anyone like you be a leader in life or in the international community?
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improving relations with Russia is "aiming low?"
Why is supporting the military industrial establishment a good thing?
Why is ratcheting down tensions between the 2 largest military's bad?

and this would be nothing new -even during the Soviet Union we always looked to reduce tensions
and sign arms control agreement.

Strategically anything to keep a tighter Sino-Russian alliance from happening is also good..

If you want human rights, you have to address security concerns first-not the other way around
 
noise said:
what Clinton success? They took the money and continued development
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No, they cheated, but cheating in an international agreement is actually beneficial for the USA in terms of gaining leverage from China and putting pressure on NK. Would you say that Trump has been successful in his approach to NK, and if you do, what metric are you using?
 
noise said:
improving relations with Russia is "aiming low?"
Why is supporting the military industrial establishment a good thing?
Why is ratcheting down tensions between the 2 largest military's bad?
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What is the end goal of having good relations with Russia when they have ZERO reason to change their behavior?

Keeping in mind that Russia is a failing economy that exports nothing but a soon-to-be irrelevant source of power.
 
Amadeus said:
No, they cheated, but cheating in an international agreement is actually beneficial for the USA in terms of gaining leverage from China and putting pressure on NK. Would you say that Trump has been successful in his approach to NK, and if you do, what metric are you using?
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yes they cheated..which means it was not successful.
Trump now faces miniaturization/ICBM reentry, and even hydrogen bombs.

It's playing out. it's neither successful or unsuccessful at this point
 
Amadeus said:
What is the end goal of having good relations with Russia when they have ZERO reason to change their behavior?

Keeping in mind that Russia is a failing economy that exports nothing but a soon-to-be irrelevant source of power.
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less spending on NATO. Less redundant weaponry pointed at each other.
detente or even rapproachment means talking at all levels which leads to diplomacy.
Unlike now where we don't talk and mindlessly continue militarization
 
noise said:
less spending on NATO. Less redundant weaponry pointed at each other.
detente or even rapproachment means talking at all levels which leads to diplomacy.
Unlike now where we don't talk and mindlessly continue militarization
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I'd double or triple NATO spending -- I'd quintuple it -- if it would mean the end of Putin's Russia.
 
Amadeus said:
I'd double or triple NATO spending -- I'd quintuple it -- if it would mean the end of Putin's Russia.
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it wouldn't . you see what they did when they couldn't compete with our spending
they violated the I.N.F treaty because they had no other choice for parity
 
Yeah such a wise choice! His people are starving. They've been condemned by every nation on earth, and have severe sanctions against all their exports!

We knew dems love and admire communist dictators. At least this guy admits to it.
 
Amadeus said:
The only thing preventing America from invading North Korea is a nuclear holocaust in South Korea. The only reason Iraq was invaded was because Saddam didn't have the weapons to prevent in an invasion, and the same could be said for Libya which gave up its nuclear program in exchange for... what? Magic beans? Meanwhile, Trump is pulling the legs off the one thing that could have worked via precedence -- the nuclear agreement with Iran.
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There is no precedence of success, North Korea is evidence that toothless deals with despots don't work.
 
noise said:
it makes sense, but unlike Iraq's phantom nuclear program and Libya which gave up it's program
( magic beans indeed) lil Kim's bellicosity makes him an existential threat.

Iran is not threatening to nuke the USA ( no matter what Trump or the neocons say) -but NK is
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Their national motto is death to America you laughable faggot.
 
Amadeus said:
The Iraq War is what motivated the current situation. Clinton had some success, but when Bush and the Neocons started pinging off 'evil nations' on a three-nation list, this was a foregone conclusion.
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Clinton had no success, his nuclear deal with North Korea was a failure from the beginning so shove your revisionist apologetics for despots up your faggot ass.
 
Amadeus said:
No, they cheated, but cheating in an international agreement is actually beneficial for the USA in terms of gaining leverage from China and putting pressure on NK.
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So your assertion is that the failure of the agreement to stop nuclear weapons development is evidence of its success? Hit yourself in the head with a fucking tack hammer, because you are a retard.
 
Amadeus said:
The only thing preventing America from invading North Korea is a nuclear holocaust in South Korea. The only reason Iraq was invaded was because Saddam didn't have the weapons to prevent in an invasion, and the same could be said for Libya which gave up its nuclear program in exchange for... what? Magic beans? Meanwhile, Trump is pulling the legs off the one thing that could have worked via precedence -- the nuclear agreement with Iran.

As evil as Kim is, he's actually making the wisest choice, and the one which grants him the most leverage. North Korea WILL become a nuclear power, and Trump can't do much about it.
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why haven't the Canookians signed a mutual defense treaty with North Korea?.......you could enlist and protect Kim from the evil Americans.......
 
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