Trump throws down the gauntlet/diaper, the world shrugs and sides with Iran.

Trump's own foreign policy team agrees that Iran is 100% compliant with the deal. There goes your fucking point.
 
Amadeus said:
Trump's own foreign policy team agrees that Iran is 100% compliant with the deal. There goes your fucking point.
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Not the point, it was a bad deal in the first place. Why were the Iranians allowed to prevent nuclear inspections of military facilities?

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Corazón said:
Not the point, it was a bad deal in the first place. Why were the Iranians allowed to prevent nuclear inspections of military facilities?
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Because it's a non-starter, and a red herring designed to sabotage the existing deal. Iran was brought to the table -- with vast international pressure and foreign policy capital from China and Russia. Do you want this or nothing? Because the alternative is war. And you know how this works. If Iran was secretly building nuclear weapons at their military sites, it would be revealed with standard intel. It's like how we know that Israel has 300+ undeclared nuclear weapons.

Here's an idea. If Trump is soooooo great at making deals (and he's actually not, based on empirical evidence), lets see him make a better one. Instead of, you know, shitting America's credibility down the toilet while Iran is in full compliance.
 
Amadeus said:
Because it's a non-starter, and a red herring designed to sabotage the existing deal. Iran was brought to the table -- with vast international pressure and foreign policy capital from China and Russia. Do you want this or nothing? Because the alternative is war. And you know how this works. If Iran was secretly building nuclear weapons at their military sites, it would be revealed with standard intel. It's like how we know that Israel has 300+ undeclared nuclear weapons.

Here's an idea. If Trump is soooooo great at making deals (and he's actually not, based on empirical evidence), lets see him make a better one. Instead of, you know, shitting America's credibility down the toilet while Iran is in full compliance.
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It was brought to the table because of sanctions, pure and simple. The mullahs were terrified that the young, over half the nation is under 20, would rise up and sweep them away.

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Corazón said:
It was brought to the table because of sanctions, pure and simple. The mullahs were terrified that the young, over half the nation is under 20, would rise up and sweep them away.
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Guess what? Those sanctions will NEVER be repeated again under Trump. America can't enact them alone. So what's Trump's leverage? The international community agreed to these sanctions in the hopes that this deal would be struck.
 
Trump's impotent rage, attempting to undo all things Obama is a joke for the world to laugh at.

He can't do anything.

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Amadeus said:
Because it's a non-starter, and a red herring designed to sabotage the existing deal. Iran was brought to the table -- with vast international pressure and foreign policy capital from China and Russia. Do you want this or nothing? Because the alternative is war. And you know how this works. If Iran was secretly building nuclear weapons at their military sites, it would be revealed with standard intel.
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Then why have inspectors at all you stupid fuck? Thid deal is a fucking joke and everyone knows it.
 
Amadeus said:
Because it's a non-starter, and a red herring designed to sabotage the existing deal.
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there has never been a deal.......there has only been Obama.......there is no deal unless Congress approves it.........same as the Paris Accords and the Kyoto Accords.......
 
Amadeus said:
Trump's own foreign policy team agrees that Iran is 100% compliant with the deal. There goes your fucking point.
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That's not too difficult considering that their military installations are off limits to inspectors, the deal is a 100% joke and you're a fucking idiot.
 
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it doesn't. It only delays breakout.
and to be clear this is not a treaty ( although Obama should have gone that route) it's what's called an
"international executive agreement" -since Congress had no say.

Trump is correct to dump it into Congres's lap - see what they do to formalize it or not.
It was a crappy deal, in that it didn't have linkage to ballistic missiles - which Iran has been violating the spirit of the NPA.

PS. nukes are the least of our problems w/Iran
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The major flaw to your argument is that Iran has complied with the agreement.

So why fix what isn’t broke other than a political sop by Trump to his evengelical hardline supporters?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
The major flaw to your argument is that Iran has complied with the agreement.

So why fix what isn’t broke other than a political sop by Trump to his evengelical hardline supporters?
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it should be reviewed by Congress as a treaty..for Great Buddha's sake Congress inserted itself into POTUS purview w/sanctions on Russia -effectively tying Trumps hands for improving relations - yet Congress isn't involved with ratifying a nuclear non-proliferation pact with Iran?? How do you sort this out?
 
Amadeus said:
While Trump is playing in the ruins of his soiled diaper, and having never read the deal himself (not having the attention span to even sit through summary), the adults in the room have agreed to continue on without America's waning, and ultimately irrelevant leadership.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rica-mogherini-netanyahu-israel-a7999556.html





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We're going to see the same thing with trade agreements. They'll teach trump just how much fun a separatist economic policy can be.
 
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