How does the NFL come out ahead in all of this?

chink said:
it has everything to do with the vets ,i stand for the ones that gave all i stand for then,you are a sellout man tell me where did you serve.
you people just can not stop whining about loosing to TRUMP.
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NO, you poor perpetual victim you, you are making it about you, not those protesting-go find another something to fall victim to.............
 
chink said:
it has everything to do with the vets ,i stand for the ones that gave all i stand for then,you are a sellout man tell me where did you serve.
you people just can not stop whining about loosing to TRUMP.
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Clearly, you didn't take advantage of the GI bill when you got out.
 
Althea said:
What were you fighting for?
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have you watched the PBS Vietnam series?

President after president kina knew North Vietnam was never going to be defeated -
but actions like carpet bombing N. Vietnam (etc) went on anyway..

1st it was "bomb them back to the stone age"
then it was "bomb them to the negotiating table"
then it was bomb them for "Peace with honor"

Then Saigon fell anyway.
 
noise said:
have you watched the PBS Vietnam series?

President after president kina knew North Vietnam was never going to be defeated -
but actions like carpet bombing N. Vietnam (etc) went on anyway..

1st it was "bomb them back to the stone age"
then it was "bomb them to the negotiating table"
then it was bomb them for "Peace with honor"

Then Saigon fell anyway.
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I know plenty of real Vietnam vets. Those who served in '66-'69. One is dying from agent orange related cancer right now. None of them believe they were fighting for our freedoms, the flag, or the right for anyone in America to do anything.

They all know it was a bullshit military engagement, and they were all treated like shit when they got home.

Including by the the VA, who didn't consider them veterans until they fought for that right.
 
Thing1 said:
Stop & frisk was just one example, and it's one I thought of, because I recently saw an interview w/ a guy who said he had been stopped over 100 times - sometimes pushed down on the pavement. He started crying when he talked about it. I can't imagine that. I was unfairly targeted by a cop ONCE in my life, and it affected me on a pretty deep level. I didn't feel as free; and that was just one time. If I was a guy like that, I'd feel like I was a foreigner in a police state.

We hear the anecdotal stuff all of the time, and it's all basically true - blacks get pulled over more, harassed more, and yes - killed more.

I don't even really want to speak to whether or not the anthem is the best place to express issues w/ that. I mean, it worked, right? All a guy like Kaep can do is get America talking about it. I guess the conversation probably isn't focused where he'd want it to be focused, but it did start a conversation.

I think it's too bad that people have to turn it into a "spitting on the military" thing, which I never saw it as, and which Kaep said was the farthest thing from his mind and not his intent at all. If that's how you view the anthem, I think that's a personal thing - but people forget that intent matters. I think that's true of a lot of "PC" stuff that lefties get up in arms about, like when someone uses the "n word." Did they intend it to hurt or denigrate, or were they just saying it to illustrate another point? People don't focus on intent anymore. It's all just emotional knee-jerk reactions.
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kaep is lying. I am sure you are thinking of that recent NYT article written by his buddy that retconned the situation. i'm too lazy at the moment but his comments from when he first didn't wasn't some noble thing while still respecting the flag. He absolutely meant to disrespect the flag.
 
Teflon Don said:
Forget whether or not you agree or disagree with the kneeling. My question is how the NFL comes out ahead and improves its brand with all of this.

I don't see how. The NFL should have shut this down last year. There might have been a little bitching and moaning, but it would have dissipated. Now they are stuck between a rock and hard place and it is because they were weak.

I will reduce thread bans for this one
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Meh....one game in each town with a free beer and brats and all will be forgiven...I mean all is fair in love, war and politics but god damnit football is football. Hut, Hut!
 
noise said:
have you watched the PBS Vietnam series?

President after president kina knew North Vietnam was never going to be defeated -
but actions like carpet bombing N. Vietnam (etc) went on anyway..

1st it was "bomb them back to the stone age"
then it was "bomb them to the negotiating table"
then it was bomb them for "Peace with honor"

Then Saigon fell anyway.
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Excellent documentary.
 
Althea said:
I know plenty of real Vietnam vets. Those who served in '66-'69. One is dying from agent orange related cancer right now. None of them believe they were fighting for our freedoms, the flag, or the right for anyone in America to do anything.

They all know it was a bullshit military engagement, and they were all treated like shit when they got home.

Including by the the VA, who didn't consider them veterans until they fought for that right.
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Yea that was my late Uncles attitude when he came back from Vietnam where he served in the Marines. He said it was like the generals sat around a table and strategized...."Hmmm what can we do to lose this war." cause they just made decision after decision that was not in the best interest of winning the war. Vietnamization was an excellent example of that. Villagers don't like us? Take shots at us? Burn their fucking village down...that will win their hearts and minds!".
 
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