Bernie Sanders: ‘The Current Model of the Democratic Party Obviously Is Not Working’

Threedee said:
Had Bernmaster Sandy run independent, he would have handed Douchebag Donald an electoral landslide, and probably the popular vote. The whole idea of a primary challenge is that you give the party the opportunity to recover from your candidacy in time to be competitive in the general election.
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I respect your wisdom my friend. My perspectives about Sanders considers the sound perspectives of people I respect, like you, even though I disagree.

Consider the voter who voted for Obama, then in 2016, voted for a clown. Take a moment and think about that. A great many of such voters voted for the clown in rejection of Hillary Clinton .. not because she wouldn't have been a better executive, nor shy away from many of the issues THEY support. Issues that the clown either won't touch or make worse.

They voted for the clown out of emotion, not intelligence, not political wisdom, not real concern for the future of this nation.

EMOTION.

How do you craft a party based on the need to accommodate 'independents' who vote on emotion?
 
blackascoal said:
I respect your wisdom my friend. My perspectives about Sanders considers the sound perspectives of people I respect, like you, even though I disagree.

Consider the voter who voted for Obama, then in 2016, voted for a clown. Take a moment and think about that. A great many of such voters voted for the clown in rejection of Hillary Clinton .. not because she wouldn't have been a better executive, nor shy away from many of the issues THEY support. Issues that the clown either won't touch or make worse.

They voted for the clown out of emotion, not intelligence, not political wisdom, not real concern for the future of this nation.

EMOTION.

How do you craft a party based on the need to accommodate 'independents' who vote on emotion?
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That's true. I have always tended to view independent voters as people with broader political perspectives than the rigid platforms of the two parties. Clearly, there are a lot of the types you described running around. These people seem attracted to the cult of personality, which Obama and Trump have managed to feed them in spades. I guess to defeat Trump, the Dems need someone off-the-wall, like Bill Clinton is/was. Perhaps that's why people keep talking-up Biden...
 
Bill said:
After pushing back against Hillary Clinton‘s claim about his support for her in 2016, Bernie Sanders criticized the Democratic party at large on Meet the Press this morning.

Clinton has made a point of saying that Sanders is not a Democrat and doesn’t even ID as one.

Sanders told Chuck Todd, “The current model of the Democratic party obviously is not working. Republicans control the House, the Senate, they control the White House, they control two-thirds of the governors’ offices.”

He said Democrats should do more to reach out to independents.

Watch above, via NBC.
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It takes a good man like Bernie to reflect honestly. It should be said that cons need to do some soul searching as well. Too many stuffy old career politicians with too little comprehension of life outside DC is our biggest problem.
That, and those evil few who thrive, and profit, on setting us against each other instead of seeking solutions.
 
Lovebug said:
You listen to them and reflect, you don't insult them.
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You can listen to them all you want, at the end of the day you cannot craft policy based on emotion.

No one insults them nearly as bad as their own emotional vote has insulted their own intelligence.
 
Lovebug said:
It takes a good man like Bernie to reflect honestly. It should be said that cons need to do some soul searching as well. Too many stuffy old career politicians with too little comprehension of life outside DC is our biggest problem.
That, and those evil few who thrive, and profit, on setting us against each other instead of seeking solutions.
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For the most part, I agree with you.

However, the ability to legislate ideas and policy is an entirely different question.
 
blackascoal said:
Good luck with that .. why not cure cancer and halt aging in the process?
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a successful Trump presidency would go as long way to breaking down the duopoly.
Or negotiating w/Dems and leaving the Republicans out in the cold..
it would force that elusive bi-partisanship

It can be done "yes we can" - but it takes some results and reshuffling
 
Lovebug said:
It takes a good man like Bernie to reflect honestly. It should be said that cons need to do some soul searching as well. Too many stuffy old career politicians with too little comprehension of life outside DC is our biggest problem.
That, and those evil few who thrive, and profit, on setting us against each other instead of seeking solutions.
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One point, Bernie Sanders is a career politician, he may not be stuffy or maybe he is, but he is a career politician.
 
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Lovebug said:
It takes a good man like Bernie to reflect honestly. It should be said that cons need to do some soul searching as well. Too many stuffy old career politicians with too little comprehension of life outside DC is our biggest problem.
That, and those evil few who thrive, and profit, on setting us against each other instead of seeking solutions.
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Very true, & I might add that they have their own self-interest in mind as well....... Setting themselves & their friends, family & associates w/ cozy & lucrative jobs whoring for corporations & peddling their influence.....
 
Covfefe said:
One point, Bernie Sanders is a career politician, he may not be stuffy or maybe he is, but he is a career politician.
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IMHO: Bernie is certainly not w/out flaws, but he is also certainly a step in the right direction.......

I don't see how dems can conclude that continuing down the same road is going to suddenly start producing different outcomes...

What seems like a long time ago the current leadership came to power=now the house, senate, wht house & 2/3 of governorships belong to the other party......

If that does not scream change what does?? :dunno:
 
Bill said:
IMHO: Bernie is certainly not w/out flaws, but he is also certainly a step in the right direction.......

I don't see how dems can conclude that continuing down the same road is going to suddenly start producing different outcomes...

What seems like a long time ago the current leadership came to power=now the house, senate, wht house & 2/3 of governorships belong to the other party......

If that does not scream change what does?? :dunno:
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Just correcting the record, Bernie is better than most, but he disappointed when he didn't release his taxes after pushing transparency.
 
Bill said:
Very true, & I might add that they have their own self-interest in mind as well....... Setting themselves & their friends, family & associates w/ cozy & lucrative jobs whoring for corporations & peddling their influence.....
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In politics, the "revolving door" is a movement of personnel between roles as legislators and regulators and the industries affected by the legislation and regulation

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Revolving Door

Although the influence powerhouses that line Washington's K Street are just a few miles from the U.S. Capitol building, the most direct path between the two doesn't necessarily involve public transportation. Instead, it's through a door—
a revolving door that shuffles former federal employees into jobs as lobbyists, consultants and strategists just as the door pulls former hired guns into government careers.
https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/index.php
 
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