Climate justice- damages and reparations

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Micawber

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"Hurricanes in the Caribbean and deadly floods across South Asia have once again raised the issue of climate justice.

The association between such events and climate change is now beyond serious question: we have had 30 years of well-founded scientific warnings about the relationship between increasing global temperatures and the incidence and severity of extreme weather. Much more problematic is the question of responsibility for climate change itself, and who should justly pay compensation for the resulting damage."

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Micawber said:
All the developed countries, and they should be indemnified by the industries that pollute, most notably the large oil companies.
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People have to give it time. We are on a great trend, coming up with alternative energy and fuels. But we have to make it so that its usage becomes more cost efficient, so that even the very poor can benefit. Until then, we will have to use fossil fuels and keep people's jobs. Eventually will can phase that out as we reeducate, perhaps relocate and become more efficient.
People have to feed their kids, they have to get to work somehow, they have to heat their homes. Give it time, we are getting there.
 
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).
 
Lovebug said:
People have to give it time. We are on a great trend, coming up with alternative energy and fuels. But we have to make it so that its usage becomes more cost efficient, so that even the very poor can benefit. Until then, we will have to use fossil fuels and keep people's jobs. Eventually will can phase that out as we reeducate, perhaps relocate and become more efficient.
People have to feed their kids, they have to get to work somehow, they have to heat their homes. Give it time, we are getting there.
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If people had listened 30 years ago, we would possibly be there, now. Coastal states could have built with sea level rise in mind for flood control, biologist could have developed fish that tolerated warmer waters. I just think of all the wasted time.
 
Covfefe said:
If people had listened 30 years ago, we would possibly be there, now. Coastal states could have built with sea level rise in mind for flood control, biologist could have developed fish that tolerated warmer waters. I just think of all the wasted time.
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During the course of 100's of millions of years of evolution fish have adapted to much greater changes than even the most dire prophecies of AGW.

That's assuming there's anything to AGW. It's a theory, not a fact.
 
Covfefe said:
If people had listened 30 years ago, we would possibly be there, now. Coastal states could have built with sea level rise in mind for flood control, biologist could have developed fish that tolerated warmer waters. I just think of all the wasted time.
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Interesting, so for thirty years your family profited off of fossil fuels. Your cushy retirement is funded by fossil fuels. Your breast cancer was cured because of fossil fuels.

Odd that you don't see that connection. I guess now that you got yours you don't mind screwing others? Sorta like Jarod.

Kudos blue hair.

Oh and the irony of you living in two of the biggest oil producing states isn't lost on me either. Just sayin sugar tits
 
Micawber said:
http://theconversation.com/who-shou...te-change-and-who-should-be-compensated-84028

"Hurricanes in the Caribbean and deadly floods across South Asia have once again raised the issue of climate justice.

The association between such events and climate change is now beyond serious question: we have had 30 years of well-founded scientific warnings about the relationship between increasing global temperatures and the incidence and severity of extreme weather. Much more problematic is the question of responsibility for climate change itself, and who should justly pay compensation for the resulting damage."

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I think you should have 80% of your personal wealth confiscated to pay them off. What say you?
 
Darth Omar said:
During the course of 100's of millions of years of evolution fish have adapted to much greater changes than even the most dire prophecies of AGW.

That's assuming there's anything to AGW. It's a theory, not a fact.
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It still would be beneficial to be ahead of the curve and help those species we rely on for food instead of reactive measures all the time.
 
I sense the rightards warming to global warming, just as the vanguards predicted they would, due to its obvious affects meeting the very limited gaze of those short sighted jerks. Yes, lost years all thanks to consevative politicians oil money and the disinformation campaign. Still it's gratifying to hear the beeps of their truck backing up, even at this late date.

Sad it was necessary to place the onus on global infrastructure to accommodate the criminal oil enterprise Rather than on preventing big oil from bending Mother Nature over in the first place.
 
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Covfefe said:
If people had listened 30 years ago, we would possibly be there, now. Coastal states could have built with sea level rise in mind for flood control, biologist could have developed fish that tolerated warmer waters. I just think of all the wasted time.
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errata
 
Micawber said:
I sense the rightards warming to global warming, just as the vanguards predicted they would, due to its obvious affects meeting the very limited gaze of those short sighted jerks. Yes, lost years all thanks to consevative politicians oil money and the disinformation campaign. Still it's gratifying to hear the beeps of their truck backing up, even at this late date.

Sad it was necessary to place the onus on global infrastructure to accommodate the criminal oil enterprise Rather than on preventing big oil from bending Mother Nature over in the first place.
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nope

you guys lost the argument

but I see you are a chickenshit for not letting Tom post. At least that is what Zipperhead and Archives say
 
Lovebug said:
People have to give it time. We are on a great trend, coming up with alternative energy and fuels. But we have to make it so that its usage becomes more cost efficient, so that even the very poor can benefit. Until then, we will have to use fossil fuels and keep people's jobs. Eventually will can phase that out as we reeducate, perhaps relocate and become more efficient.
People have to feed their kids, they have to get to work somehow, they have to heat their homes. Give it time, we are getting there.
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Just something else for the poor to benefit from for which they don't contribute to the pot from which they draw.

All you tree huggers need to set the example and buy yourselves electric vehicle, ride a bike, or walk wherever you go.
 
Micawber said:
http://theconversation.com/who-shou...te-change-and-who-should-be-compensated-84028

"Hurricanes in the Caribbean and deadly floods across South Asia have once again raised the issue of climate justice.

The association between such events and climate change is now beyond serious question: we have had 30 years of well-founded scientific warnings about the relationship between increasing global temperatures and the incidence and severity of extreme weather. Much more problematic is the question of responsibility for climate change itself, and who should justly pay compensation for the resulting damage."

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Just how do you suggest "litigating" with the source of earth's weather changes.....THE SUN? And why have you not addressed the previous concerns over CLIMATE CHANGE?

What is your plan to stop man from changing the weather and make the weather more compatible for human life? What percentage of weather change does mankind find himself responsible (as its not global warming any longer as the earth's temperature average has remained static over the past 15 years: Documented APPLIED SCIENCE....an inconvenient truth...a plateau...causing the green team to redefine the cash cow political movement known as Global Warming, now its Climate change..i.e., a change in the weather)....and how does he repair the damage?

Does he use all the green technology and outlaw fossil fuel energies? Fact: With all the green tech available today it would provide but 4% of the required energy needs demanded by any modern nation on earth.

And what do you do with all the poor across the globe that depend upon simple fossil fuels to keep them alive one day at a time? Do you suggest sacrificing all the worlds poor in order to placate your feel good accolade from fellow tree huggers?

Enlighten us: Give us a real plan and real science as to how the green machine is going to change.....weather change. Proceed: :good4u:
 
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CFM said:
Just something else for the poor to benefit from for which they don't contribute to the pot from which they draw.

All you tree huggers need to set the example and buy yourselves electric vehicle, ride a bike, or walk wherever you go.
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I guess "as long as I have mine" works well? You seem to forget that many don't have choices. Think about the coal miners who want to work and can't find a job. Think about the people who live in areas where jobs are just gone but they don't have the means to move.
Think about the disabled, the people on fixed income, the elderly, you know, the ones who have contributed by either working their entire life, the infirm. I guess we don't have to worry about them being able to get to the store or to the doctor, as long as the lucky ones who still have a job are well off and can boast. Do you know how little it takes to walk in those other shoes?
Lastly, don't confuse me with a climate hysteric. You jump right into a thread without having a clue or without giving what I posted a second thought. Think beyond your horizon.
We can't stop progress. We did once ride horse and buggy, but those times have passed along with the manual typewriter and other antiquities. Chances are that we will have alternative fuel, cleaner, renewable fuel, available to us. Why would we be against that if it becomes more cost efficient, so that other than rich tree huggers can partake?
If you want to argue, go find someone else.
 
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