This man is called a racist by some. Perhaps this image will clarify the issue

noise said:
as discussed he condemned the Nazis....the latest reasoning from what I can discern was it wasn't an utter condemnation of the people there (Trump saying some protestors might not be Nazis)..
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This has been done too many times already and nobody's mind is going to change.
 
charver said:
This has been done too many times already and nobody's mind is going to change.
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true. but i'm not trying to change locked in minds. myself included.
I'm trying to show the Trump bashing is more political in nature then pure moral outrage
 
noise said:
true. but i'm not trying to change locked in minds. myself included.
I'm trying to show the Trump bashing is more political in nature then pure moral outrage
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Then why did virtually every politician, outside the US, condemn his equivocation?

From my point of view he didn't want to condemn a section of the electorate who, whether he wanted their endorsemnet or not, supported him. If Tom were posting right now he may very well be pointing out that the leader of the Labour Party, in the UK, has been somewhat reticent to condemn instances of sexual abuse of working-class white girls carried out, in the main, by Asians of a Pakistani origin, for fear of losing votes in that constituency. And he may well have a point. (Hi, Tom, if you're reading this). I can't help but seeing some crossover here.
 
charver said:
Okay, just suppose i buy into the narrative of the hostile media who will stop at naught to destroy the Presidency of Donald J Trump. Why does he give them so much ammunition? Any normal person would have condemned neo-nazi's in a second. Yet he couldn't, or wouldn't do that. That just isn't normal. At all.
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Why should he condemn one side and ignore the actions of the other side??
 
charver said:
OK. I don't really care about the American media and, generally, don't read that much of it.

What i do read is our own media, which is generally right-wing in nature, who all could not believe Trump couldn't bring himself to condemn something as easy to condemn as Nazis. Likewise, there is not a politician of any good standing outside of America who held any truck with with Trump's equivacation about condemning a group of people who were chanting "Jews will not replace us" whilst holding Nazi flags.

I'm sorry, but as an outsider to all this shit, i don't care how un-PC someone is, or how non political they are, when there's a group of actual Nazi's marching thorough America and you can't condemn it outright, immediately, then there's something seriously wrong somewhere. Thankfully, i understand most Americans agree with me on that at least.
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Does antifa need to be condemned outright, immediately??
 
noise said:
it was like the next day?
The shifting reasoning is that he equivocated the 2 sides violence.
But you might be correct.
It's to the point no matter what he does it's too late, or he equivocates, or wasn't strong enough denunciation..

All of which is a political, not moral bent . It's just typical American 'gotcha' politics
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Just look at when he donated $1 million dollars to help Texas.
Our JPP liberals began crying about how he should have done it quietly; but have nothing to say about Hollywood types, who announce their contributions.

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charver said:
Then why did virtually every politician, outside the US, condemn his equivocation?

From my point of view he didn't want to condemn a section of the electorate who, whether he wanted their endorsemnet or not, supported him. If Tom were posting right now he may very well be pointing out that the leader of the Labour Party, in the UK, has been somewhat reticent to condemn instances of sexual abuse of working-class white girls carried out, in the main, by Asians of a Pakistani origin, for fear of losing votes in that constituency. And he may well have a point. (Hi, Tom, if you're reading this). I can't help but seeing some crossover here.
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Have you ever heard of a "band wagon"; because that's what a lot of the MSM is jumping on.
It's all about selling papers, magazines, or TV and radio ratings.
 
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As i've already said, people's positions on this are already fixed and no amount of rehashing the same arguments from a plethora of previous threads, on this topic, are going to change anybody's mind.

There is nothing new to add that hasn't been said a hundred times before and countered with the same familiar objections.

I'm off out to get the newspaper and spend what's left of this Sunday morning being quietly indoctrinated in the garden.
 
charver said:
OK. I don't really care about the American media and, generally, don't read that much of it.

What i do read is our own media, which is generally right-wing in nature, who all could not believe Trump couldn't bring himself to condemn something as easy to condemn as Nazis. Likewise, there is not a politician of any good standing outside of America who held any truck with with Trump's equivacation about condemning a group of people who were chanting "Jews will not replace us" whilst holding Nazi flags.

I'm sorry, but as an outsider to all this shit, i don't care how un-PC someone is, or how non political they are, when there's a group of actual Nazi's marching thorough America and you can't condemn it outright, immediately, then there's something seriously wrong somewhere. Thankfully, i understand most Americans agree with me on that at least.
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That's laughable, are you saying that the BBC, Channel 4, Guardian, Observer, Independent, Daily Mirror and New Statesman are right wing?
 
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charver said:
Then why did virtually every politician, outside the US, condemn his equivocation?

From my point of view he didn't want to condemn a section of the electorate who, whether he wanted their endorsemnet or not, supported him. If Tom were posting right now he may very well be pointing out that the leader of the Labour Party, in the UK, has been somewhat reticent to condemn instances of sexual abuse of working-class white girls carried out, in the main, by Asians of a Pakistani origin, for fear of losing votes in that constituency. And he may well have a point. (Hi, Tom, if you're reading this). I can't help but seeing some crossover here.
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Well more than that Sarah Champion was made to fall on her sword for speaking out about Pakistani men pimping and sexually abusing hundreds of young girls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ed-scapegoat-warning-cultural-link-child-sex/
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Just look at when he donated $1 million dollars to help Texas.
Our JPP liberals began crying about how he should have done it quietly; but have nothing to say about Hollywood types, who announce their contributions.

:facepalm:
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He can't do right for doing wrong! Do you use that expression in the US?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Why should he condemn one side and ignore the actions of the other side??
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Because Nazis and White Nationalists are worse than Antifa. Besides that, there will be plenty of opportunities to condemn Antifa in the coming days as they attempt to burn more college campuses to the ground.
 
charver said:
OK. I don't really care about the American media and, generally, don't read that much of it.

What i do read is our own media, which is generally right-wing in nature, who all could not believe Trump couldn't bring himself to condemn something as easy to condemn as Nazis. Likewise, there is not a politician of any good standing outside of America who held any truck with with Trump's equivacation about condemning a group of people who were chanting "Jews will not replace us" whilst holding Nazi flags.

I'm sorry, but as an outsider to all this shit, i don't care how un-PC someone is, or how non political they are, when there's a group of actual Nazi's marching thorough America and you can't condemn it outright, immediately, then there's something seriously wrong somewhere. Thankfully, i understand most Americans agree with me on that at least.
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I wouldn't be so sure about the last part.

Like Stretch said, many people watched what was going on said to their dog 'WTF is wrong with these idiots?' All of them. Another thing I'm sure went through a lot of minds was 'why don't the cops clear the streets of these idiots before one of them kills someone'.

I guess there are two sets of people: one expects the president to play a sort of 'moral captain obvious' and condemn the Nazis in his first breath. I say that because it's taken as a given by most people that neo-Nazis, stand condemned.

And as it turns out, the two groups are equally condemnable. Antifa are communists who idiolize Stalin, Lenin and Mao. I don't see any moral distinction between the two groups---because there isn't any.

If I would criticize Trump for anything, it would be for not calling out the Charlottesville cops for standing down. If they wouldn't have lost control of the situation that young woman would probably still be alive.

Missing an opportunity to condemn Nazis, not so much.
 
Threedee said:
Because Nazis and White Nationalists are worse than Antifa. Besides that, there will be plenty of opportunities to condemn Antifa in the coming days as they attempt to burn more college campuses to the ground.
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Nazis are worse than communists?

You say you studied history?
 
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