Afghan troop surge to include thousands of paratroopers, Marines and heavy bombers

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The bulk of the roughly 4,000 additional troops headed to Afghanistan will probably be composed of thousands of paratroopers from two units — the 82nd Airborne Division and an airborne brigade from the 25th Infantry Division, according to U.S. officials.

More air support — in the form of more F-16 fighters, A-10 ground attack aircraft and additional B-52 bomber support, or a combination of all three — is also probably on the way, according to a U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss plans that had not yet been made public. The B-52s will remain based in Qatar but will be tasked to cover Afghanistan.

Small Marine artillery detachments, composed of about 100 or so troops per unit, will be spread around the country to fill in gaps in air support, the official said.

About half of the 82nd Airborne’s 1st Brigade Combat Team is already in Afghanistan, while the rest of the unit — around 1,500 troops — is waiting to join them as a part of the troop increase. The 4th Brigade of the 25th Infantry Division, based in Alaska, is set to relieve parts of the Army’s 1st Armored Division already in the country. To contribute to the troop increase, the 4th Brigade is likely to deploy more of its troops rather than send just enough to replace those in the 1st Armored Division. Fox News first reported the 82nd Airborne’s deployment last week.

During a recent visit to Kabul, Gen. Joseph Votel, the officer who oversees U.S. operations in the Middle East and Afghanistan, told reporters that he was hoping to get some of the new forces into the country before the end of the fighting season. While in Afghanistan’s warmer climes the fighting season usually lasts almost year-round, clashes elsewhere in the country usually taper off by the end of October.

the additional U.S. forces will allow Americans to advise Afghan troops in more locations and closer to the fighting, U.S. officials in Kabul said ahead of Trump’s announcement. With more units farther away from the country’s biggest bases, additional air support and artillery will be needed to cover those forces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...national:homepage/card&utm_term=.1795d3959517
 
I'm looking at this as one giant counter-terrorism operation..forget the nationbuilding..

That's what Trump has said is the mission, and I have to agree.
Better we didn't go full bore nation building from the beginning, but pulling out is gonna leave a terrorist state
 
I'm looking at this as one giant counter-terrorism operation..forget the nationbuilding..

That's what Trump has said is the mission, and I have to agree.
Better we didn't go full bore nation building from the beginning, but pulling out is gonna leave a terrorist state

And you understand that there isn't a finite # of terrorists, correct? And that we will eventually have to pull out? And that if we don't "nation build," pulling out will basically be the same circumstance, no matter when we do it?
 
I'm looking at this as one giant counter-terrorism operation..forget the nationbuilding..

That's what Trump has said is the mission, and I have to agree.
Better we didn't go full bore nation building from the beginning, but pulling out is gonna leave a terrorist state

You know the old saying attributed to Einstein about doing the same thing over & over again..:whoa:

I can only imagine what he would have to say about doing "again" & this time w/ a tiny fraction of the previous attempts..
 
And you understand that there isn't a finite # of terrorists, correct? And that we will eventually have to pull out? And that if we don't "nation build," pulling out will basically be the same circumstance, no matter when we do it?

Maybe the "terrorist" aka as the ppl that live there, think the big bluffer is in it for the long haul w/ an additional couple thousand boots???:whome:


I don't think they are any more impressed w/ the draft dodger than lil kim is=NADA
 
You know the old saying attributed to Einstein about doing the same thing over & over again..:whoa:

I can only imagine what he would have to say about doing "again" & this time w/ a tiny fraction of the previous attempts..

you can't ignore the dedication of the ANA, or their cohesion.
Which is not to say they will ever get a negotiated settlement.

They are however an effective fighting force. Most of this surge is filling in existing roles and being able to deliver more air and artillery in a combat support role to the ANA
 
And you understand that there isn't a finite # of terrorists, correct? And that we will eventually have to pull out? And that if we don't "nation build," pulling out will basically be the same circumstance, no matter when we do it?
you don't know that..one thing we are trying to do is get India to buy in more , and get Paki to close it's borders.
They don't just cross from Waziristan - they cross all the way south to Quetta.
Paki can't control the Tribal Areas or Wazir, but it can control it borders from Peshawar to Quetta if it chooses.

It's not doing so to relieve TTP Taliban pressures by allowing unchecked border crossings -it has to stop

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you can't ignore the dedication of the ANA, or their cohesion.
Which is not to say they will ever get a negotiated settlement.

They are however an effective fighting force. Most of this surge is filling in existing roles and being able to deliver more air and artillery in a combat support role to the ANA

I dunno what you're talking about, I don't care how dedicated they are, means nothing in the end.........

WRONG, THEY WILL GET A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT, & it will be w/ the taliband, although for PC purposes they may wish to call them something else but nonetheless they will have their country back, we will have wasted well over a trillion & things will be pretty much how they were before we wasted all that money.....
 
I dunno what you're talking about, I don't care how dedicated they are, means nothing in the end.........

WRONG, THEY WILL GET A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT, & it will be w/ the taliband, although for PC purposes they may wish to call them something else but nonetheless they will have their country back, we will have wasted well over a trillion & things will be pretty much how they were before we wasted all that money.....
so you do see some negotiated settlement? It could be...or it could be a takeover.

The point is it's their country - we can and should assist as long as the ANA is a effective fighting force
 
I believe that @ some point the USA will negotiate w/ the taliband & turn the country over to them.....

What happens to those ppl after that will be on them......

IMHO nothing we have done, or will do, will alter that outcome.
 
I believe that @ some point the USA will negotiate w/ the taliband & turn the country over to them.....

What happens to those ppl after that will be on them......

IMHO nothing we have done, or will do, will alter that outcome.
well we tried that -remember the Qatar negotiations? They declared themselves the official government of Afghan, and they went nowhere.
The only way that pays off is to drive the Taliban to the table -they have no incentive to negotiate otherwise.
 
The bulk of the roughly 4,000 additional troops headed to Afghanistan will probably be composed of thousands of paratroopers from two units — the 82nd Airborne Division and an airborne brigade from the 25th Infantry Division, according to U.S. officials.

More air support — in the form of more F-16 fighters, A-10 ground attack aircraft and additional B-52 bomber support, or a combination of all three — is also probably on the way, according to a U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss plans that had not yet been made public. The B-52s will remain based in Qatar but will be tasked to cover Afghanistan.

Small Marine artillery detachments, composed of about 100 or so troops per unit, will be spread around the country to fill in gaps in air support, the official said.

About half of the 82nd Airborne’s 1st Brigade Combat Team is already in Afghanistan, while the rest of the unit — around 1,500 troops — is waiting to join them as a part of the troop increase. The 4th Brigade of the 25th Infantry Division, based in Alaska, is set to relieve parts of the Army’s 1st Armored Division already in the country. To contribute to the troop increase, the 4th Brigade is likely to deploy more of its troops rather than send just enough to replace those in the 1st Armored Division. Fox News first reported the 82nd Airborne’s deployment last week.

During a recent visit to Kabul, Gen. Joseph Votel, the officer who oversees U.S. operations in the Middle East and Afghanistan, told reporters that he was hoping to get some of the new forces into the country before the end of the fighting season. While in Afghanistan’s warmer climes the fighting season usually lasts almost year-round, clashes elsewhere in the country usually taper off by the end of October.

the additional U.S. forces will allow Americans to advise Afghan troops in more locations and closer to the fighting, U.S. officials in Kabul said ahead of Trump’s announcement. With more units farther away from the country’s biggest bases, additional air support and artillery will be needed to cover those forces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...national:homepage/card&utm_term=.1795d3959517

I wonder when Orangetweet will find out about this. FOX will have to air it first.
 
well we tried that -remember the Qatar negotiations? They declared themselves the official government of Afghan, and they went nowhere.
The only way that pays off is to drive the Taliban to the table -they have no incentive to negotiate otherwise.

It went nowhere because the USA was unwilling to cede...

That is what will change...

You have had way to many years of that "Already"...

How many more do you think it will be before you "drive" them to the table??

You know why they are called the graveyard of empires..
 
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