Increase in the number of Syrians returning to their country
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"Nothing by Obama."
Is that kind of like your 'fact' that "no one" protested Libya?
Is that kind of like your 'fact' that "no one" protested Libya?
oh lord are you ever gonna get off of that?
There were demonstrations as you showed -but they were so minor they didn't get coverage..
anyways..Obama literally would not straf ISIS Humvee convoys in the Iraqi desert -never mind the towns.
That's about as much of a nothing you can get
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It just shows that you have zero credibility on these issues. You see everything through a partisan prism.
It can't be said enough: If Hillary won & did the same thing w/ Afghanistan, you'd be posting constantly about it. She'd be in the neocon/warmonger camp, and you would oppose the action with every fiber of your being.
I've been against every use of our military in my lifetime, which includes Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama and now Trump - save one. The one exception was Afghanistan - actually under Bush Jr. - and I came to regret that support.
That's consistency, and that's principle. You support or oppose depending on who is President, not on the action itself. You're horrified by Obama's use of "JV," which I have explained to you, but had no issue at all w/ Trump tweeting falsehoods about Mosul which could have undermined that effort.
ridiculous.
I opposed going into Afghan - especially the way we did it - but we are there now.
HRClinton's sins include INTERVENTIONISM in Iraq/Syria/Libya.
Interventionism defined as taking sides in a civil war with regime change goals.
Your "explanation" of JV is hollow. Whatever Obama was supposedly trying to say he did absolutely nothing to halt the advances of ISIS across Iraq . It was a freaking turkey shoot..
Trump's tweeting had nothing to do with war prosecution in Mosul -it changed nothing.
The only policy ( not tweet) that changed anything was more battlefield autonomy given to commanders by Trump
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I said that Trump's tweets could have undermined the effort - not that they did. Regardless, they were completely dishonest & irresponsible for a leading candidate for President. But not a peep out of you.
And zero doubt, anatta - ZERO. You would have opposed the same action if it was Hillary. Absolutely.
You can stomp your feet until you turn blue equivocating interventionism vs. filling in existing roles in Afghan-
but it's not going to change the fact they are 2 different animals at this point in time.
Trumps Tweets were silly campaign rhetoric but made absolutely no difference on the ground. nothing changed
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except obama failed 2 protect the civilan population
sure he paid lip service 2 the idea but he bombed and droned like crayz (including in pakistan) killin lotsa innocentz & even targeted and droned a us citizen
did u have libnesia about that?
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Your hypocrisy actually bores me at this point.
Carry on believing whatever you want. Trump didn't know if his tweets/lies would have an effect, or even care.
more sanctimonious b.s.
How in hell can a tweet change anything absent a change in policy?
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nothing by Obama except "JV" dismissals
Excellent graphic.
There's nothing more partisan than refusing to own up to your side's mistakes.
Iraqi troops were scared of the blitzkrieg like invasion -even though they had superior forces ( tanks/artillery)
they fled their tanks and artillery ISS seized them. You have to think that if we had strafed them at minimum,
and retarded their advance the Iraqi's might not have been quaking at their advances..
Plus we could have taken out a good bit of ISIS convoys.
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you can not bolster your argument by posting hypotheticals of how someone would have reacted had history somehow gone another way.
in fact it weakens your argument.
let's assume that our principles are what they are, because of our beliefs rather than our "partisanship".
That is the start of debate, if someone through proof of their words has a hypocritical point of view based on partisanship, then that's different.
Obama blew it on ISIS, Bush blew it on Iraq. nothing partisan there.
Giving up on or even criticizing Trumps fight on terror at this juncture, is partisan.
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u can alwaze tell when a lib is running out of ammo when they post sumthing like this cant u?
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It is hyper-partisan to distill ISIS down to one missed opportunity. The formation of ISIS started w/ the completely boneheaded decision to disband the Iraqi army. Actually, it started before that, w/ the equally boneheaded decision to invade Iraq. Withdrawing from Iraq (Bush's plan, Obama's execution), didn't help. The Syrian civil war is pretty the biggest contributor of all.
But you guys do nothing but blame Obama for every single thing that goes wrong or that went wrong. It's like GDP - you're quick to credit Trump right now, but if the economy dips later this year, it will be because of Obama.
But you guys do nothing but blame Obama for every single thing that goes wrong or that went wrong. It's like GDP - you're quick to credit Trump right now, but if the economy dips later this year, it will be because of Obama.