It's interesting

Threedee said:
Would you compare active communists today to the horrors of Marxist regimes of the 20th Century?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I simply hate the Nazis who went to Charlottesville for what they are (powerless). Are you telling me that I shouldn't be critical of them?

Also, I changed my name to Establishment during the GOP primaries.
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Did you mean to concede they are powerless or was that a slip?
 
Threedee said:
Would you compare active communists today to the horrors of Marxist regimes of the 20th Century?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I simply hate the Nazis who went to Charlottesville for what they are (powerless). Are you telling me that I shouldn't be critical of them?

Also, I changed my name to Establishment during the GOP primaries.
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Then I guess what you do is what some call virtue signaling. Because the only people I hear equating the 8,000 White Nationalists in the USA with genocidal WWII Nazis are bed-wetting leftists. Criticizing them doesn't require making such an absurd equivalency.
 
Darth Omar said:
Did you mean to concede they are powerless or was that a slip?
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Who was claiming that they have power? The real point is that Nazis had the gall to show their faces in public, and that others defended them wanting to keep a statue honoring an enemy general in public. And, no one seems to care that they murdered someone.
 
Threedee said:
Who was claiming that they have power? The real point is that Nazis had the gall to show their faces in public, and that others defended them wanting to keep a statue honoring an enemy general in public. And, no one seems to care that they murdered someone.
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Well, the left claims Trump needs them.

You're position on this is indistinguishable from the hardcore left. I say 'hardcore' because the left is solidly behind the erstwhile Nazis, Antifa. That makes the left as harcare as Antifa.

Since you're so familiar with the Nazis, I'm sure you recall how Hitler's thugs would shut down the opposition with violence.

Say what you will about the Charlottesville Nazis, but they weren't there to shut anyone down. In fact, one could argue they got out-Nazi'd by Antifa.

You don't allow that the opposing argument is legitimate. Some people [a majority if you believe the polls] believe the statues have at least some historical import. Just because someone holds that opinion doesn't make them a Nazi sympathizer.

And if you think this country has that many Nazi sympathizers, I feel bad for you. I'd consider moving somewhere else, in fact.
 
Darth Omar said:
Here's the deal on that.

I follow European news on Twitter. I've got a socially liberal Czech buddy I talk to who you'd easily mistake for a 'white nationalist' over here. I joke with her about it. People over there are weary of the 'template response' from their politicians every time an Islamist goes on a murderous rampage in their streets.

Though Trump didn't have his facts right, they are understandably hungry for a little more fire in the belly when it comes to their leaders response.

Europe is ahead of us.
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He "didn't have his facts right" is a nice way of covering up that he's a congenital liar. I expect more of the president, any president. I am tired to the bone of having to source all of trump's comments and then find that 90% or more of them are outright lies. I know it, you know it. The Dems know it, the GOP knows it.

He can bash Islamist terrorism any way he wants as long as he's being truthful. Truth isn't enough for trump even if he knows it. He lives for throwing gas on the fire.
 
christiefan915 said:
He "didn't have his facts right" is a nice way of covering up that he's a congenital liar. I expect more of the president, any president. I am tired to the bone of having to source all of trump's comments and then find that 90% or more of them are outright lies. I know it, you know it. The Dems know it, the GOP knows it.

He can bash Islamist terrorism any way he wants as long as he's being truthful. Truth isn't enough for trump even if he knows it. He lives for throwing gas on the fire.
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The bolded is spot on. It's funny to hear his supporters gloss over that. Anatta said that Trump is "sloppy with his facts."

Dude is a textbook pathological liar. It's an art form for him. "The Art of the Lie."
 
Thing1 said:
The bolded is spot on. It's funny to hear his supporters gloss over that. Anatta said that Trump is "sloppy with his facts."

Dude is a textbook pathological liar. It's an art form for him. "The Art of the Lie."
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and never forget you bought some of those lies about hillary
 
Thing1 said:
The bolded is spot on. It's funny to hear his supporters gloss over that. Anatta said that Trump is "sloppy with his facts."

Dude is a textbook pathological liar. It's an art form for him. "The Art of the Lie."
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he is sloppy.his language is sloppy.
For you and fake news consumers like you it's enough that you ONLY dwell on that
while NEVER addressing the SOLID ideas behind MAGA.
This isn't an attack on you personally -more an attack at how we always look at politicians with a "gotcha" prism
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, the left claims Trump needs them.

You're position on this is indistinguishable from the hardcore left. I say 'hardcore' because the left is solidly behind the erstwhile Nazis, Antifa. That makes the left as harcare as Antifa.

Since you're so familiar with the Nazis, I'm sure you recall how Hitler's thugs would shut down the opposition with violence.

Say what you will about the Charlottesville Nazis, but they weren't there to shut anyone down. In fact, one could argue they got out-Nazi'd by Antifa.

You don't allow that the opposing argument is legitimate. Some people [a majority if you believe the polls] believe the statues have at least some historical import. Just because someone holds that opinion doesn't make them a Nazi sympathizer.

And if you think this country has that many Nazi sympathizers, I feel bad for you. I'd consider moving somewhere else, in fact.
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You and others keep focusing on the violence between the two groups. I am focusing on their ideologies. For some reason that's getting lost in the noise. There is nothing decent and respectable about neo-Nazis. That's why antifa will always have the higher ground.

Again I condemn violence by antifa or any group because I don't think violence is the answer to anything. But it's a specious argument to put both groups on the same level.
 
anatta said:
he is sloppy.his language is sloppy.
For you and fake news consumers like you it's enough that you ONLY dwell on that
while NEVER addressing the SOLID ideas behind MAGA.
This isn't an attack on you personally -more an attack at how we always look at politicians with a "gotcha" prism
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Anatta, we're talking about someone who literally has no credibility. And he brought that on himself. If there is a topic or issue, I'd bet good money that Trump has lied about it at some point. It's what he does.

Who cares about the solid ideas behind MAGA when Trump will say literally anything? Why do you still trust what he says...why did you ever?
 
http://amp.slate.com/articles/news_...ft_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html


I stood with a group of interfaith clergy and other people of faith in a nonviolent direct action meant to keep the white nationalists from entering the park to their hate rally.*We had far fewer people holding the line than we had hoped for, and frankly, it wasn’t enough.*No police officers in sight (that I could see from where I stood), and we were prepared to be beaten to a bloody pulp to show that while the state permitted white nationalists to rally in hate, in the many names of God, we did not.*But we didn’t have to because the anarchists and anti-fascists got to them before they could get to us.*I’ve never felt more grateful and more ashamed at the same time.*The antifa were like angels to me in that moment.
 
evince said:
you repeated lies about hillary and claimed you were libertarian remember
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Those are both lies. You're just like Trump.

1) I said Hillary voted for the Iraq Resolution, which is the main reason I didn't vote for her. FACT: she voted for the Iraq Resolution. Not a lie.
2) I never "claimed I was a libertarian." I said "I probably align more to the libertarians than to either major party."

Please stop lying about me.
 
christiefan915 said:
You and others keep focusing on the violence between the two groups. I am focusing on their ideologies. For some reason that's getting lost in the noise. There is nothing decent and respectable about neo-Nazis. That's why antifa will always have the higher ground.

Again I condemn violence by antifa or any group because I don't think violence is the answer to anything. But it's a specious argument to put both groups on the same level.
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I'll continue to focus on the violence of the two groups because both groups are violent. Nazism just isn't a dangerous ideology in 2017. Well, it's no more dangerous than Communism. You realize there's a Communist Party USA, right?

Do you know how many people died under Joe Stalin? Joe out did Adolph. Yet, his acolytes are still amongst us. How about we go back to ignoring the cranks on either fringe?

Or are the Nazi wannabes too politically useful at the moment?
 
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