Why is VA trying to take down a General Lee statue to begin with?

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General Lee was an American civil war general, and of great historical importance. Especially in Virginia his home state. So it shouldn't be big surprise that there is a statue of him somewhere in the south.

In 1870 US congress gave confederate soldiers, dead and alive, veteran status for fighting for their perceived country, IE part of the US.

So like it or not General Lee is an American Veteran.

Yes the south was fighting on behalf of ugly slavery, and yes Lee was a General at the forefront; but is erasing him from the history book, or revising history itself really going to help anything?

This seems like more butthurt social justice warrior and PC-ism. Like the kind found on many college campuses.

Just my 2 cents, and as always, maybe I am wrong.
 
I don't see this as a PC thing at all. Lee fought for slavery, and that's what he & his statue represent to a lot of people. If you had ancestors who were slaves (and not that many generations back), it's pretty easy to see why you wouldn't want a statue celebrating someone like that around.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't see this as a PC thing at all. Lee fought for slavery, and that's what he & his statue represent to a lot of people. If you had ancestors who were slaves (and not that many generations back), it's pretty easy to see why you wouldn't want a statue celebrating someone like that around.
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You should read up on Lee before you comment further.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't see this as a PC thing at all. Lee fought for slavery, and that's what he & his statue represent to a lot of people. If you had ancestors who were slaves (and not that many generations back), it's pretty easy to see why you wouldn't want a statue celebrating someone like that around.
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Maybe it isn't celebrity? I've visited gettysburg, and there are statues of confederate soldiers to show where they fought. It doesn't mean they are praising them and supporting slaveristic ideals..?
 
Irish said:
General Lee was an American civil war general, and of great historical importance. Especially in Virginia his home state. So it shouldn't be big surprise that there is a statue of him somewhere in the south.

In 1870 US congress gave confederate soldiers, dead and alive, veteran status for fighting for their perceived country, IE part of the US.

So like it or not General Lee is an American Veteran.

Yes the south was fighting on behalf of ugly slavery, and yes Lee was a General at the forefront; but is erasing him from the history book, or revising history itself really going to help anything?

This seems like more butthurt social justice warrior and PC-ism. Like the kind found on many college campuses.

Just my 2 cents, and as always, maybe I am wrong.
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you are more correct them wrong..Civil war happened despite attempts to erase it or "museum it".

Vet of the battles quickly forgave and moved on with their lives -150years later we cant ( won't) do the same
 
Thing1 said:
I don't see this as a PC thing at all. Lee fought for slavery, and that's what he & his statue represent to a lot of people. If you had ancestors who were slaves (and not that many generations back), it's pretty easy to see why you wouldn't want a statue celebrating someone like that around.
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When will you fight to change the name of Yale?

How far should we go? What will satisfy those who are now all of a sudden are triggered by statues of confederate soldiers like Damo and Threedee?

And how will a black persons life be materially improved by taking down statues?

Yes this is political correctness run amok. You haven't actually thought this through. You and Rana are just virtue signalling because you fear being called racist.
 
Irish said:
General Lee was an American civil war general, and of great historical importance. Especially in Virginia his home state. So it shouldn't be big surprise that there is a statue of him somewhere in the south.

In 1870 US congress gave confederate soldiers, dead and alive, veteran status for fighting for their perceived country, IE part of the US.

So like it or not General Lee is an American Veteran.

Yes the south was fighting on behalf of ugly slavery, and yes Lee was a General at the forefront; but is erasing him from the history book, or revising history itself really going to help anything?

This seems like more butthurt social justice warrior and PC-ism. Like the kind found on many college campuses.

Just my 2 cents, and as always, maybe I am wrong.
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No, Lee was a Confederate general. He held an American commission as a colonel, but joined a new country's army and waged war against America.
 
Threedee said:
No, Lee was a Confederate general. He held an American commission as a colonel, but joined a new country's army and waged war against America.
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Confederates are considered vets. So his status of General in the confederate army is still recognized.
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
When will you fight to change the name of Yale?

How far should we go? What will satisfy those who are now all of a sudden are triggered by statues of confederate soldiers like Damo and Threedee?

And how will a black persons life be materially improved by taking down statues?

Yes this is political correctness run amok. You haven't actually thought this through. You and Rana are just virtue signalling because you fear being called racist.
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How about getting rid of the names of the months and dates of the years, since they were invented by evil white Romans? Roman empire was bad after all.

How about we get rid of the name America, since it was invented by Columbus, and evil conqueror. Maybe just invent a non-racist new language all together? Oh wait the SJWs are already doing this.
 
Thing1 said:
Strawman du jour.

I think we can draw the boundary somewhere around a confederate general who was one of the leaders of the fight to maintain slavery as an institution in the south.
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Really? You mean someone who was a slave trader is OK with you?

Someone who made their fortune bringing those poor negroes from Africa and putting them into bondage is OK with you?

It isn't a straw man at all. You claim to be bothered by General Lee because he supposedly defended slavery yet you have no problem with someone who profited from it?

You have no problem with Woodrow Wilson, Robert Byrd.

Calling it a straw man doesn't erase your hypocrisy. It merely highlights it.
 
Thing1 said:
Strawman du jour.

I think we can draw the boundary somewhere around a confederate general who was one of the leaders of the fight to maintain slavery as an institution in the south.
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Interesting that you say slavery was an institution of the south as if there weren't slaves in the north

I think the democrat party and weak kneed neoliberals like 3Dee are going to be surprised at how this turns out for them.
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
Really? You mean someone who was a slave trader is OK with you?

Someone who made their fortune bringing those poor negroes from Africa and putting them into bondage is OK with you?

It isn't a straw man at all. You claim to be bothered by General Lee because he supposedly defended slavery yet you have no problem with someone who profited from it?

You have no problem with Woodrow Wilson, Robert Byrd.

Calling it a straw man doesn't erase your hypocrisy. It merely highlights it.
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The line is treason and/or being enemy combatants or leaders.
 
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