Seizures of cash and property to increase under Trump

DamnYankee said:
The characterization of them is. In his speech, Session said this and only this about the the issue raised in the OP title " Jeff Sessions wants police to take more cash from American citizens":

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That's not quite accurate. The OP basically substituted the word "criminal" with "citizens". Wouldn't you agree?
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Obviously, you are ignorant of these kinds of seizures. "Criminal" means conviction. They don't even need to be criminally charged in asset forfeiture cases.
 
Sailor said:
Cash and Property. Two things Nomad will ever have to worry about having.
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A) Right now I could buy and sell you.

B) 100% equity in my paid for house.

C) You lose again, loser.

Crawl back under your bridge, troll.
 
Nomad said:
A) Right now I could buy and sell you.

B) 100% equity in my paid for house.

C) You lose again, loser.

Crawl back under your bridge, troll.
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How much equity do have in that single wide Jethro? Must be rolling in it huh? Couple grand maybe? LMAO! You poor dumb redneck fuck.
 
DamnYankee said:
The characterization of them is. In his speech, Session said this and only this about the the issue raised in the OP title " Jeff Sessions wants police to take more cash from American citizens":

[emp mine]

That's not quite accurate. The OP basically substituted the word "criminal" with "citizens". Wouldn't you agree?
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Fact: It is well documented that several innocent people who've done nothing wrong have been victimized by asset seizures and lost large amounts of money and property without ever having been charged. In many cases, they've had to hire attorneys to get their money back, and often times, only got part of it. Once law enforcement gets it's hands on your money, they do not want to let it go easily.

You are being a willing dupe just because Sessions works for your ignorant orange trash hero.

I hope they come to your home and take what little crap you own.
 
Sailor said:
How much equity do have in that single wide Jethro? Must be rolling in it huh? Couple grand maybe? LMAO! You poor dumb redneck fuck.
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Concrete block suburban ranch style, Cletus.

Beats that old wooden tool shed in your mom's backyard that you live in by miles and miles and miles.
 
Nomad said:
Fact: It is well documented that several innocent people who've done nothing wrong have been victimized by asset seizures and lost large amounts of money and property without ever having been charged. In many cases, they've had to hire attorneys to get their money back, and often times, only got part of it. Once law enforcement gets it's hands on your money, they do not want to let it go easily.

You are being a willing dupe just because Sessions works for your ignorant orange trash hero.

I hope they come to your home and take what little crap you own.
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Can you point out in Sessions speech, or at any other time, where he advocates taking property from non-criminals? I'll wait patiently for your answer. How much time will you need?
 
Nomad said:
Concrete block suburban ranch style, Cletus.

Beats that old wooden tool shed in your mom's backyard that you live in by miles and miles and miles.
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You just keep racking up the hits here Jethro! Concrete block outhouse also?
 
DamnYankee said:
The characterization of them is. In his speech, Session said this and only this about the the issue raised in the OP title " Jeff Sessions wants police to take more cash from American citizens":

[emp mine]

That's not quite accurate. The OP basically substituted the word "criminal" with "citizens". Wouldn't you agree?
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the failure of both conservatives and liberals is in their perception of criminal. all too often, the second someone is arrested, you brand them a criminal. you absolve yourself of any responsibility for it by assuming, falsely, that if they weren't a criminal, then they would not have been arrested. reality is that the government can arrest you for anything. reality is that current federal asset forfeiture laws allow for seizure based upon suspicion and forces the 'citizen' to fight the government (an entity with unlimited resources) to have their property returned.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the failure of both conservatives and liberals is in their perception of criminal. all too often, the second someone is arrested, you brand them a criminal. you absolve yourself of any responsibility for it by assuming, falsely, that if they weren't a criminal, then they would not have been arrested. reality is that the government can arrest you for anything. reality is that current federal asset forfeiture laws allow for seizure based upon suspicion and forces the 'citizen' to fight the government (an entity with unlimited resources) to have their property returned.
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Can you point out in Sessions speech, or at any other time, where he advocates taking property from citizens who have been merely accused of a crime?
 
DamnYankee said:
Can you point out in Sessions speech, or at any other time, where he advocates taking property from non-criminals? I'll wait patiently for your answer. How much time will you need?
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He advocates expanding the program which results in property being seized from non criminals.

Even a dedicated Trumptard ought to be able to figure that one out.
 
DamnYankee said:
Can you point out in Sessions speech, or at any other time, where he advocates taking property from citizens who have been merely accused of a crime?
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don't try to wordsmith, you don't do it very well.

how many innocents need to have their property seized before you will acknowledge that asset forfeiture is wrong?
 
Here's some help. definitions.

There are three types of forfeiture under federal law: criminal forfeiture, civil judicial forfeiture, and administrative forfeiture.

Criminal Forfeiture: Criminal forfeiture is brought as part of a criminal prosecution of a defendant. It is an in personam (against the person) action and requires that the government indict the property used or derived from the crime along with the defendant. In criminal forfeiture, an individual has the right to contest the seizure through trial proceedings.

Civil Judicial Forfeiture: Civil judicial forfeiture is a judicial process that does not require a criminal conviction and is a legal tool that allows law enforcement to seize property that is involved in a crime. Referred to as an in rem (against the property) action, it is an action filed against the property itself, rather than a person. In civil judicial forfeiture, an individual has the right to contest the seizure through trial proceedings.

Administrative Forfeiture: The majority of federal forfeiture cases are uncontested even if there is a related criminal case. Administrative forfeiture occurs when a property is seized but no one files a claim to contest the seizure. Property that can be administratively forfeited includes merchandise prohibited from importation; a conveyance used to import, transport, or store a controlled substance; a monetary instrument; or other property that does not exceed $500,000 in value. Houses and other real property may not be forfeited administratively. Federal law imposes strict deadlines and notification requirements in the administrative forfeiture process. If the seizure is contested, then the U.S. government is required to use either criminal or civil judicial forfeiture proceedings to gain title to the property.
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https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/asset-forfeiture

Notice the important term: "trial proceedings". Perhaps Gayrod can help y'all out on this one.
 
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