South Korea Proposes Peace Talks with North Korea

alliances and power projections are normal and useful states activities...
interventionism is the disease effecting neo-liberals like HRClinton/Albright as well as the Kristol neo-cons
 
anatta said:
I'm not saying don't be in Asia,i'm saying we don't always to be in the lead role or organizer.

In the case of the South China Sea, the littoral states are unable to stand upto the Chinese Navy -
so we need to be fully engaged.

In the central Asian "stan" countries, we are outsiders ad the Islamic state can organize themselevs, or partner w/Russia if the wish.

Russia is making great inroads to commercial ties in Afghanistan. If we ever get tired enough of bleeding there
and pull out -Russia will be the superpower/economic partner -China to a lessor extent
..India and the sub-continent are of course different.
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I agree with some of that, but nothing about Russia .. which is rife with its own internal problems.
 
evince said:
well you were so fair to Obama huh

do nyou forget your people voted against their own written and sponsered bills when Obama said he would sign them


that is called party over country


now you shits cant even get a bill to the president for him to sign


what gives
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ohhh patience grasshopper,
very soon there will be so much legislation being passed you will be crying enough already enough.

And to not know that is your blind partisanship getting in the way of what you must know is coming, this healthcare bill is just setting up all the rest, and it too will pass, mark that down. ;)
 
blackascoal said:
I agree with some of that, but nothing about Russia .. which is rife with its own internal problems.
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well Russia is in Afghanistan in a big way. military too. it's their 'sphere' not ours.
Russia's new role in Afghanistan
http://www.dw.com/en/russias-new-role-in-afghanistan/a-19087432
More than two decades after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, Moscow is once again seeking to play a major role in the country by boosting military and economic cooperation with Kabul.

Russia and Afghanistan have become friends again, putting behind their past enmity and bitter memories from the decade-long Soviet occupation of the South Asian country. The two countries today share good relations, and they even signed a security agreement last year.

Just recently, Moscow gave 10,000 Kalashnikov rifles and millions of rounds of ammunition to the Afghan government. And further Russian military and economic aid is expected to flow to Kabul.

Although Russia hasn't engaged militarily in Afghanistan since the start of the US-led invasion of the country in 2001, Moscow has provided logistical support for the reconstruction of the war-torn nation. This cooperation was formally institutionalized by the NATO-Russia Council.

Furthermore, Russia plans to support Afghanistan's housing sector, as indicated by Zamir Kabulov, a department chief at Russia's Foreign Ministry and President Vladimir Putin's special envoy to Afghanistan, during his meeting with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani on February 29.......
 
blackascoal said:
Absolutely .. but not at the expense of security and/or economic expansion which come from partnerships. America first leaves America alone.
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I disagree. America First does not ensure isolationism. We have given away too much to our "partners", now it's time to think about our own people before we get involved in the affairs of others.
 
anatta said:
well Russia is in Afghanistan in a big way. military too. it's their 'sphere' not ours.
Russia's new role in Afghanistan
http://www.dw.com/en/russias-new-role-in-afghanistan/a-19087432
More than two decades after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, Moscow is once again seeking to play a major role in the country by boosting military and economic cooperation with Kabul.

Russia and Afghanistan have become friends again, putting behind their past enmity and bitter memories from the decade-long Soviet occupation of the South Asian country. The two countries today share good relations, and they even signed a security agreement last year.

Just recently, Moscow gave 10,000 Kalashnikov rifles and millions of rounds of ammunition to the Afghan government. And further Russian military and economic aid is expected to flow to Kabul.

Although Russia hasn't engaged militarily in Afghanistan since the start of the US-led invasion of the country in 2001, Moscow has provided logistical support for the reconstruction of the war-torn nation. This cooperation was formally institutionalized by the NATO-Russia Council.

Furthermore, Russia plans to support Afghanistan's housing sector, as indicated by Zamir Kabulov, a department chief at Russia's Foreign Ministry and President Vladimir Putin's special envoy to Afghanistan, during his meeting with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani on February 29.......
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I have no interest in Russia .. and if I'm not mistaken, they've been in Afghanistan before .. and it killed the Soviet Union.
 
blackascoal said:
I disagree .. the world disagrees.

Everything is in the article. Perhaps you should read it again .. including the date.
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Assuming that you mean the article I cited and you used in your quotation of my post, the date is November 8 2016.

https://missilethreat.csis.org/south-korea-thaad-deployment-timeline-announced/

Here's another announcement of the deployment dated November 4, 2016.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-usa-thaad-idUSKBN12Z028?il=0

Are you of the opinion that Trump instigated the deployment?
 
I'm glad everyone else found this thread as asinine as I did and were able to turn it into talking about something totally off topic.
Even the thread starter
lololo
 
LuvTrump said:
I disagree. America First does not ensure isolationism. We have given away too much to our "partners", now it's time to think about our own people before we get involved in the affairs of others.
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This is one reason why I think Trump's election was exactly what America needed to wake up from ignorance.

America is about to get a hard lesson on your theory. Isolationism doesn't work.

I am antiwar, so I'm fully aware that we need to stop our needless wars AND stop using terrorism if we're claiming to be fighting it. Those are goals that all Americans should be able to find agreement in .. but they aren't.

Avoiding needless for-profit wars doesn't mean we need be isolationists.
 
blackascoal said:
This is one reason why I think Trump's election was exactly what America needed to wake up from ignorance.
America is about to get a hard lesson on your theory. Isolationism doesn't work. I am antiwar, so I'm fully aware that we need to stop our needless wars AND stop using terrorism if we're claiming to be fighting it. Those are goals that all Americans should be able to find agreement in .. but they aren't. Avoiding needless for-profit wars doesn't mean we need be isolationists.
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I can agree with all your points, yet you seem determined to paint Trump as isolationist.
 
partnering w/Russia has already paid off in Syria (despite the "assad must go" crowd)

..as ALWAYS the correct alignments where powers clash can be found in realpolitik
 
blackascoal said:
The Russians aren't very good at agreements and partnerships. I have no faith that any will last unless Putin is getting the lion's share.
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they've learned from the Chinese.
so much so they are partnering with the Taliban ( but then all countries do)
as well as the Kabul government

Russia wants to keep"radical Islam" contained on it's borders -what better way then engage in partnerships?
 
LuvTrump said:
I can agree with all your points, yet you seem determined to paint Trump as isolationist.
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No disrespect intended brother, but Trump is a buffoonish clown who doesn't have a clue about what he's doing. He's not only an isolationist, he's an imperialist.

He wants to dominate the world .. but his antics take us the other way.
 
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