Gerrymandering in Florida will be soon going down

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Different maps, same destination: Florida's gerrymandering problem
no they are not the same.. Corrine Brown lost her seat because of Florida "fair districts" -which if yu had bothered to read the article explained in depth was an answer to gerrymandering

Corrine Brown is facing two serious Democratic opponents in the radically redrawn ... to the state Constitution aimed at banning political gerrymandering. Brown's meandering district, which then ran from Jacksonville in the north to Orlando ... She also lashed out at the media for focusing on the accusations.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/elections/challengers-aim-to-unseat-corrine-brown-in-primary

Brown sensed danger in 2010, when Florida voters approved an amendment to the state Constitution aimed at banning political gerrymandering. Brown's meandering district, which then ran from Jacksonville in the north to Orlando in the south, was often highlighted as a prime example of gerrymandering.

She fought the amendment in federal court and lost and later waged an unsuccessful legal fight against a court-ordered redistricting plan that created the current east-west configuration. Brown insisted that an African-American Democrat could not win the seat, despite the fact that President Barack Obama won it by more than 28 points in 2012.
of course she ran her charity as a slush fund..which didn't help her
 
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Different maps, same destination: Florida's gerrymandering problem



Researchers at the Brennan Center looked at three different measures meant to indicate whether a party wins more or fewer seats than it should given the votes cast in the state and in certain districts. The details of those measures are skipped here in an attempt to keep the readers' eyes from glazing over.
By two sets of measures, Republicans won around 3.5 "extra" seats in 2012 and between roughly 1.3 and 1.8 extra seats in 2014 --- under a congressional map approved by lawmakers. In 2016, under a map approved by the courts, the GOP picked up roughly 1.5 extra seats, according to both measures.
 
Are majority minority districts fair Desh?

They are when they're fairly constructed .. not when they're constructed just to cram minorities into one district .. keeping their voting power away from republican districts .. as has been the proven case many times.

If you need me to prove that :0) I'm sure you already know that I can.

Next question
 
They are when they're fairly constructed .. not when they're constructed just to cram minorities into one district .. keeping their voting power away from republican districts .. as has been the proven case many times.

If you need me to prove that :0) I'm sure you already know that I can.

Next question

Happening organically is one thing. Happening by force of law is different and you know that.

So if you are ok with it because you believe it meets certain political goals then how do you argue others gerrymandering for the same reason to be wrong?

I wouldn't be so quick to move on to the next question.
 
Happening organically is one thing. Happening by force of law is different and you know that.

So if you are ok with it because you believe it meets certain political goals then how do you argue others gerrymandering for the same reason to be wrong?

I wouldn't be so quick to move on to the next question.

Obviously you're not understanding what I'm saying.

Happening naturally is not a problem.

Happening by gerrymandering for one parties political gain is a problem.

Happening by force of law because a district has been historically denied fair representation is not a problem.

Quite obviously republicans have a long ass history of disenfranchising the black vote, AND, are guilty of gerrymandering districts only to benefit them.

What question is there left?
 
They are when they're fairly constructed .. not when they're constructed just to cram minorities into one district .. keeping their voting power away from republican districts .. as has been the proven case many times.

If you need me to prove that :0) I'm sure you already know that I can.

Next question

Exactly what happened with Brown's district.

They ensured that a large swath of black voters would all be in her district, virtually guaranteeing that the rest of the adjoining districts would be safe for white Republicans.

And of course annette jumps right in to deflect and side step the issue now that she's a fan gurl in the party of Trump.
 
Obviously you're not understanding what I'm saying.

Happening naturally is not a problem.

Happening by gerrymandering for one parties political gain is a problem.

Happening by force of law because a district has been historically denied fair representation is not a problem.

Quite obviously republicans have a long ass history of disenfranchising the black vote, AND, are guilty of gerrymandering districts only to benefit them.

What question is there left?

As you know the VRA was created because the Democratic Party denied blacks the vote.

How are you defining fair representation today vis a vis majority minority districts? Obviously we are a very different country today demographically than we were in 1965. We know Hispanics outnumber blacks in the country today (although with the number here illegally I believe more blacks are registered to vote).
 
Exactly what happened with Brown's district.

They ensured that a large swath of black voters would all be in her district, virtually guaranteeing that the rest of the adjoining districts would be safe for white Republicans.

And of course annette jumps right in to deflect and side step the issue now that she's a fan gurl in the party of Trump.

This goes back to majority minority districts. They were intended originally to help get black politicians elected. But essentially the argument today is we still want that to happen but not have so many blacks (or other group) that it hurts other districts.
 
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