Do soaring asset prices and low unemployment mean it's time to start worrying?

cawacko

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A couple of interesting takeaways I thought including historically when we've been in a similar place as we are today and how long it took for the next recession to hit.



Why Soaring Assets and Low Unemployment Mean It’s Time to Start Worrying

Today’s conditions expose vulnerabilities that make a recession or market meltdown more likely




If you drew up a list of preconditions for recession, it would include the following: a labor market at full strength, frothy asset prices, tightening central banks, and a pervasive sense of calm.

In other words, it would look a lot like the present.

Those of us who have lived through economic mayhem before feel our muscle memory twitch at times like this. Consider the worrisome absence of worry. “Implied volatility” measures the cost of hedging against big market moves via options. When fear is pervasive, options are expensive so implied volatility is high. At present, implied volatility in bonds, stocks, currencies and gold sits near its lowest since mid-2007, the eve of the financial crisis, according to a composite measure maintained by Variant Perception, a London-based investment advisory.

The economic expansion is now entering its ninth year and in two years will be the longest on record. The unemployment rate sits at 4.3%, the lowest in 16 years, suggesting the economy has reached, or nearly reached, full capacity.

Expansions don’t die of old age, economists like to say. On the other hand, should we really assume this one will be a record breaker? From a level this low, unemployment has more room to go up than down. Another ominous sign: Central banks are tightening monetary policy, which has preceded every recession. The Fed has raised rates three times since December and last week central banks in Britain, the eurozone and Canada all hinted that years of easy money were coming to an end.

Still, the presence of recession preconditions isn’t enough to say one is imminent. To understand implied volatility, think of hurricane insurance. Right after a storm, homeowners are more anxious to have coverage, even as insurers withdraw, which of course means premiums spike. As years go by without another hurricane, homeowners let their coverage lapse, insurers return and premiums drop. Similarly, implied volatility is low today because years without a financial calamity have sapped demand for hedging while enticing sellers with the prospect of steady income in exchange for potentially huge losses. But just as hurricane premiums don’t predict the next hurricane, low implied volatility tells us nothing about whether or when a downdraft will actually come.

Similarly, when unemployment got nearly this low in 1989 and again in 2006, a recession was about a year away; but in 1998, it was three years away, and in 1965, four years. A narrowing spread between short-term interest rates and long-term rates comparable to the present has happened 12 times since 1962, and only five times did recession follow within two years.


But if today’s conditions don’t dictate a recession or a market meltdown, they expose vulnerabilities that make either more likely in the face of some catalyzing event.

When ​growth is steady and interest rates are low for years, investors and businesses behave as if those conditions will last forever. That’s why even with muted economic growth, stocks are trading at a historically high 22 times the past year’s earnings. It’s also why home prices have returned to their pre-crisis peaks in major American cities. Real estate has scaled even greater heights in Australia, Canada and parts of China, which exhibit some of the same lax lending and wishful thinking that underlay the U.S. housing bubble a decade ago.

Companies meanwhile have responded to slow, stable growth and low rates by borrowing heavily, often to buy back stock or pay dividends. Corporate debt as a share of economic output is at levels last seen just before the past two recessions.

When everyone acts as if steady growth and low volatility will last forever, it guarantees they won’t. Once asset prices fall, the flow of credit that sustained them dries up, aggravating the correction. Corporate leverage is at levels that in the past led to weakening corporate bond prices and greater equity volatility, says Jonathan Tepper, founder of Variant. “A high proportion of companies won’t be able to pay back debt.” A selloff in corporate bonds and stocks could become self-reinforcing as those who insured against such a move sell into it to limit their own losses.

Of course, some things are different this time. The postcrisis regulatory crackdown means if asset prices fall, they probably won’t take banks down with them. Last week Janet Yellen, the Fed chairwoman, said she thought there wouldn’t be another financial crisis “in our lifetimes.” Fair enough: crises as catastrophic as the last happen twice a century. But small crises are inevitable as risk migrates to financial players who haven’t drawn the attention of regulators. “Elevated asset valuation pressures today may be indicative of rising vulnerabilities tomorrow,” Fed vice chairman Stanley Fischer warned last week.

Inflation is uncomfortably low rather than too high as in previous cycles, which makes it less likely central banks will have to raise interest rates sharply or rapidly. But in a world with permanently lower inflation and growth, businesses will struggle to earn their way out of debt, and interest rates will bite at lower levels than before. This confronts the Fed with a dilemma. If bond yields remain around 2% to 2.5%, the Fed may be playing with fire by pushing rates to 3%, as planned. If it backs off those plans, it could egg on excesses that make any reversal more violent.

Ms. Yellen and Mr. Fischer, both veterans of past mayhem, need to be on guard for a repeat. So should everyone else.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-so...nt-mean-its-time-to-start-worrying-1499247003
 
Greg Ip is one of the best in the business. He uses the term "frothy". I'll use the term bubble.

Real estate prices are back to peak pricing. We see where valuations are.

Would you argue we are not in a bubble? Janet Yellen did in 2006 for housing. She clearly missed that one.
 
Greg Ip is one of the best in the business. He uses the term "frothy". I'll use the term bubble.

Real estate prices are back to peak pricing. We see where valuations are.

Would you argue we are not in a bubble? Janet Yellen did in 2006 for housing. She clearly missed that one.
I just hope the Seattle market is in a bubble. It's where I plan on retiring in 2 or 3 years. Looks a little pricey now.
Anyways, AK is in a recession now with no end in sight due to over dependence on oil.
 
"The economic expansion is now entering its ninth year and in two years will be the longest on record. The unemployment rate sits at 4.3%, the lowest in 16 years, suggesting the economy has reached, or nearly reached, full capacity."

Thanks President Obama!

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I just hope the Seattle market is in a bubble. It's where I plan on retiring in 2 or 3 years. Looks a little pricey now.
Anyways, AK is in a recession now with no end in sight due to over dependence on oil.

you might want to dream another dream......Seattle is nuts.....and it's the Vancouver of the AAA Asia Pacific Rim......I don't see it slowing down all that soon....the best you can hope for is some cyclical action....
 
Greg Ip is one of the best in the business. He uses the term "frothy". I'll use the term bubble.

Real estate prices are back to peak pricing. We see where valuations are.

Would you argue we are not in a bubble? Janet Yellen did in 2006 for housing. She clearly missed that one.

I don't know why you think Ip is any better than anyone else....

Does he mention any criteria?

If you are talking cap rates, that is, in most RE classes, a function of scarcity, given the paucity of construction from 2007-2017....
 
you might want to dream another dream......Seattle is nuts.....and it's the Vancouver of the AAA Asia Pacific Rim......I don't see it slowing down all that soon....the best you can hope for is some cyclical action....

Cyclical action in the Anchorage market too. We may have to ride out the recession a little longer,but the worst is yet to come, I can see it.
 
I don't know why you think Ip is any better than anyone else....

Does he mention any criteria?

If you are talking cap rates, that is, in most RE classes, a function of scarcity, given the paucity of construction from 2007-2017....

Look at residential housing. Can't stay at this sustained level.
 
I just hope the Seattle market is in a bubble. It's where I plan on retiring in 2 or 3 years. Looks a little pricey now.
Anyways, AK is in a recession now with no end in sight due to over dependence on oil.

Puget Sound looks like Scandinavia on the Pacific........and Scandinavia is really tiny, and most of the good real estate has long since gone to the Germans.....(oh, the Irony)
 
What "level" are you referring to?

Or is this not quantifiable, just a "vibe"?

Prices are back to pre-crises levels. Real estate is full of micro markets but when everything around me is trading over $1K/ft it's more than a "vibe" to know this isn't sustainable
 
I thought the banks tightened up loan requirements after '08. :dunno:
Shouldn't that have prevented another housing bubble?

Do yourself a favor.....ignore him.......

They did......LTV requirements are much higher.....it's tough for small scale speculators to leverage through banks...they limit out after a fixed number of mortgages.......there are private sources of "gap capital" - and these people are getting 12% for senior secured and 15% or more for Mezz......

The REITS and large LPs have been borrowing at around 4 and change for a while - but they can only get 70% LTV.......30% equity is pretty conservative in these circles........the guy who bought my industrial facility in 2008 actually turned down one bank in late 06 which offered 110%...

btw, Donald Trump must PERSONALLY sign for Trump Co loans issued by DB (the only major bank which will do business with him)

it is a whole other universe than it was in The Lost Decade.....
 
Prices are back to pre-crises levels. Real estate is full of micro markets but when everything around me is trading over $1K/ft it's more than a "vibe" to know this isn't sustainable

Stop....please.......you don't know what you are talking about.....

1000/sq ft is a bargain in many markets.....if you can find it within a mile of the river in Brooklyn, hit it like a bucketmouth.
 
Stop....please.......you don't know what you are talking about.....

1000/sq ft is a bargain in many markets.....if you can find it within a mile of the river in Brooklyn, hit it like a bucketmouth.

LOL. Many markets? NY and a few parts of LA. That's about it.

Just like on DCJ though you think very highly of yourself
 
LOL. Many markets? NY and a few parts of LA. That's about it.

Just like on DCJ though you think very highly of yourself

I was never on DCJ......had I been, I might have been able to disabuse you of the belief that nominal prices tell you anything.....but then again, imperviousness is your greatest quality....
 
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