Trump and Putin meet

Putin and Russia are not our enemies. 4 years ago the cold war was over and the 1980s were calling for their foreign policy back.

There is nothing wrong with being friends with russia. In fact, it can probably lead to a lot of good.
 
dashradinator said:
Putin and Russia are not our enemies. 4 years ago the cold war was over and the 1980s were calling for their foreign policy back.
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Yeah, well, a LOT has happened since then, and Putin is no longer using a proxy to conceal that he's the overlord of Russia.

There is nothing wrong with being friends with russia. In fact, it can probably lead to a lot of good.
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List the good. If you say fighting terrorism, I will laugh.
 
1st small step to perhaps a de-escalation if not a "reset" of mindless Cold War 2.0.
Talking is never a bad thing. Obama gave up on talking long ago and relations deteriorated.
( his bad boy/slouching dismissal of Putin)

Maybe this is a small step back.
 
Amadeus said:
Yeah, well, a LOT has happened since then, and Putin is no longer using a proxy to conceal that he's the overlord of Russia.

List the good. If you say fighting terrorism, I will laugh.
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After they get done high five-ing about disposing of Hillary, Vladie Boy and Trump can get down to business lol. Actually, I'd pay money to see them do a fist-bump just to watch the left meltdown.

On a more serious note, they have a lot to talk about. Syria, ISIS, China, NK, Iran all are worthy topics.

We'll see.
 
Darth Omar said:
On a more serious note, they have a lot to talk about. Syria, ISIS, China, NK, Iran all are worthy topics.
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Putin has made ISIS and Syria exponentially worse. Putin's solution to NK is to basically leave South Korea defenseless. What do they have to discuss about Iran that would benefit America's relationship with Iran?
 
Darth Omar said:
After they get done high five-ing about disposing of Hillary, Vladie Boy and Trump can get down to business lol. Actually, I'd pay money to see them do a fist-bump just to watch the left meltdown.

On a more serious note, they have a lot to talk about. Syria, ISIS, China, NK, Iran all are worthy topics.

We'll see.
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i'd offer recognition of Crimea as Russian , in return for Putin out of Donbass.

Crimea is a done deal anyway..and the Uk functions best as a border state
 
Amadeus said:
Putin has made ISIS and Syria exponentially worse. Putin's solution to NK is to basically leave South Korea defenseless. What do they have to discuss about Iran that would benefit America's relationship with Iran?
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http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/news/bri...ernally-displaced-amid-syrias-continuing.html

Refugees are returning to Syria---500,000 by some reports, because they fear ISIS more than Assad. ISIS is on the ropes in Syria with US backed forces on the verge of taking Raqqa back from ISIS. Like it or not, we're already working with Russia against ISIS in Syria---albeit unwittingly.

Today would be a chance to formalize it. There may not be a better basis for establishing a working relationship with another country than sharing a common enemy. The existential threat to Europe, isn't Russia, its mass immigration of refugees and economic migrants from Syria and that whole region.

I don't see how Europe being destabilized in such a way would benefit Vladie Boy. He has his own problems with radical Muslim populations in Chechnya and other places. Why would he want an Islamophied Europe?

The common ground is there. Finding it is another thing.
 
My guess is Trump and Putin will get along fine.
The main topic of discussion will be ISIS. Russia is the only serious world player not squeamish about killing people when necessary.
With Russia truly at our side ISIS can be defeated.
I suspect they may have a good laugh at the fake news Russia / Trump conspiracy witch hunt being led by the pantie wearing liberals, of which both Trump and Putin probably find equally pathetically entertaining
 
Getin the ring said:
My guess is Trump and Putin will get along fine.
The main topic of discussion will be ISIS. Russia is the only serious world player not squeamish about killing people when necessary.
With Russia truly at our side ISIS can be defeated.
I suspect they may have a good laugh at the fake news Russia / Trump conspiracy witch hunt being led by the pantie wearing liberals, of which both Trump and Putin probably find equally pathetically entertaining
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Yup.

The election thing will come up, and if they both literally chuckled about it I wouldn't be the least bit surprised lol. But since four people will be present we won't know what exactly was said---maybe for years.

Also, his critics can't admit it, but Trump comports himself well in such circumstances. He can be absolutely leader-ish---when he wants to be.

I won't be surprised if it's a productive meeting.
 
Darth Omar said:
http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/news/bri...ernally-displaced-amid-syrias-continuing.html

Refugees are returning to Syria---500,000 by some reports, because they fear ISIS more than Assad. ISIS is on the ropes in Syria with US backed forces on the verge of taking Raqqa back from ISIS. Like it or not, we're already working with Russia against ISIS in Syria---albeit unwittingly.

Today would be a chance to formalize it. There may not be a better basis for establishing a working relationship with another country than sharing a common enemy. The existential threat to Europe, isn't Russia, its mass immigration of refugees and economic migrants from Syria and that whole region.

I don't see how Europe being destabilized in such a way would benefit Vladie Boy. He has his own problems with radical Muslim populations in Chechnya and other places. Why would he want an Islamophied Europe?

The common ground is there. Finding it is another thing.
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that's a plus..
we should do everything to help with the security,and infrastructure repair.

I don't see where Putin would want a more Islamic Europe either -quite the contrary
 
barack-obama-and-vladimir-putin-meet-at-the-g8-data.jpg
 
Amadeus said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...world-leaders-gather-in-hamburg-live-coverage

1) Do you think Trump had sweaty tits when he shook hands with Putin?

2) How much of the store do you think Trump will give up when Putin offers him a deal? What concessions will Trump make on America's behalf (when Russia should actually be making the concessions)?

3) As a former KGB agent, how do you think Putin will manipulate Trump? I predict flattery.

Discuss.
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Don't forget 4) What kind of lube do liberals use when they watch ISIS videos?
 
Amadeus said:
Is that photo supposed to show something?

Ironically, Obama turned out to be much tougher on Putin than faux-strongman Donald Trump. Maybe Trump's tits were too sweaty.
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it shows the disconnect. Obama basically stopped talking to Putin. even when they met.
He said he couldn't deal with Putin and his bad boy slouching kind of slouch,
looking like the bored kid in the back of the classroom. -Obama
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http://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-obama-russia-bored-kid-classroom-2013-8
Russian President Vladimir Putin was "infuriated" by a recent comment from U.S. President Barack Obama that compared Putin to a "bored kid in the back of a classroom," according to a report in the New York Times on Thursday.

Obama made the comment at an Aug. 9 press conference, when he was asked whether recent icy developments in the U.S.-Russia relationship would have an effect on how the countries could work together to get things accomplished.

Obama disagreed that he had a "bad" personal relationship with Putin, instead taking a dig at Putin's body language.

"I don't have a bad personal relationship with Putin," Obama said. "When we have conversations, they're candid. They're blunt. Oftentimes they're constructive. I know the press likes to focus on body language, and he's got that kind of slouch, looking like the bored kid in the back of the classroom. But the truth is, is that when we're in conversations together, oftentimes it's very productive."

Putin was "infuriated" by the comment, according to the Times, whose source was "one Russian official not authorized to be quoted by name."

Two days before the press conference, Obama had canceled a planned one-on-one meeting with Putin before the G-20 summit in Russia next month, citing a lack of progress on certain issues. In a statement, the White House also cited Russia's "disappointing" decision to grant National Security Agency leak source Edward Snowden asylum.
 
It's a forty minute meeting, there isn't going be any deal making or bargaining, just a lot of agreeing on a few obvious items so that they both can come out and tell the reporters the whole thing was "productive" and "promising"

The conservatives above are in lalaland, Putin is not nice guy, he plays realpolitik, and isn't going do anything regardless of the US that doesn't serve Russia's interests. Why in the world would they ever agree to work with the US in Syria, they don't need the US, and why invite the US into a region that you have ambitions? The only thing he will do is give the notion lip service, just like China played the President with North Korea
 
anatta said:
it shows the disconnect. Obama basically stopped talking to Putin. even when they met.
He said he couldn't deal with Putin and his bad boy slouching kind of slouch,
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"Putin was "infuriated" by the comment, according to the Times, whose source was "one Russian official not authorized to be quoted by name."
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So Putin can bring a dog to intimidate Merkel but Obama can't comment on Putin's posture? Not sure what your point is, other than that Obama could easily get under Putin's skin.
 
archives said:
It's a forty minute meeting, there isn't going be any deal making or bargaining, just a lot of agreeing on a few obvious items so that they both can come out and tell the reporters the whole thing was "productive" and "promising"

The conservatives above are in lalaland, Putin is not nice guy, he plays realpolitik, and isn't going do anything regardless of the US that doesn't serve Russia's interests. Why in the world would they ever agree to work with the US in Syria, they don't need the US, and why invite the US into a region that you have ambitions? The only thing he will do is give the notion lip service, just like China played the President with North Korea
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realpolitik should be played by both sides. The relationship is too important to ignore.
Syria is a Russian client state yes, but it's generally agreed ( even by Russia)
that Assad can't stay once/if the war ever ends.

So we fund and arm our proxies,while Russia supports the regime. Surely you see how a better understanding of "what's next" helps us both.
Our proxies are weak. Our best chance of influence is being an active member of the peace talks
( Geneva 5 and counting), and getting Russia to allow us a role would be a beneficial outcome..for both.

NK is much more difficult and Russia is not the key player China is-although Russia put out a deal,
that is not in our interest..

There is also the Ukraine and Europe, and the Cold War 2.0 to deal with.
 
anatta said:
realpolitik should be played by both sides. The relationship is too important to ignore.
Syria is a Russian client state yes, but it's generally agreed ( even by Russia)
that Assad can't stay once/if the war ever ends.

So we fund and arm our proxies,while Russia supports the regime. Surely you see how a better understanding of "what's next" helps us both.
Our proxies are weak. Our best chance of influence is being an active member of the peace talks
( Geneva 5 and counting), and getting Russia to allow us a role would be a beneficial outcome..for both.

NK is much more difficult and Russia is not the key player China is-although Russia put out a deal,
that is not in our interest..

There is also the Ukraine and Europe, and the Cold War 2.0 to deal with.
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Putin has been doing it for decades, the President has never been in this arena with this type of player, the Chinesse showed us that, it's all a learning process for the President, and at times his ego won't let him understand it that way

And why do you think there will be "talks" over what happens next in Syria? If Assad goes he'll only be replaced by a Russian puppet, the US will have little to say in the transition, Russia doesn't need or want the US in Syria

Europe is important, and the Europeans aren't so sure the US has their back, can't see the President going to the brink over Estonia

But my original point is that everyone is making a big deal about today's meeting, it is a forty minute meeting, general discussion, and then agreement on what to tell the reporters afterwards, nothing big, good or bad, is going come out of it
 
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