Kissinger calls Putin-Trump meeting a chance to mend ties

U.S Allies in NATO Ready to Stop Russia in Baltic :palm:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-allies-nato-ready-stop-122604804.html

NATO’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced Thursday that the alliance’s “enhanced forward presence is now fully operational in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland… This sends a clear message to any possible aggressor: We are determined, we are united”.

The measures include the rotation of 4,500 troops who have begun their tours of rotation through the countries, and the formation of command centers in Poland and Romania which have been activated. British Royal Air Force jets are deployed in support of a NATO brigade in Romania as well.
 
idiot/ frothing without a purpose.
what i WANT is a government that is capable of getting things done. Whether it's Obama or Trump the modus operandi is NOT getting things done.

What things do you want done that don't involve Russia, and when in US history was the US government ideal?
 
idiot/ frothing without a purpose.
what i WANT is a government that is capable of getting things done. Whether it's Obama or Trump the modus operandi is NOT getting things done.

I don't value the Russian system, I value a nimble and responsive government. We used to be able to do that.
It's so bad now that our government is not really the envy of the world like it was for 200 years.

It's startling to see Putin at work in the Oliver Stone tapes. He has an agenda and he gets it done.
we can't do anything

the founders planned it that way idiot
 
What things do you want done that don't involve Russia, and when in US history was the US government ideal?
not "ideal" bu there was an attempt at compromise for much of the time.
There would be opposition but legislation was usually passed on a bi-partisan basis/compromised .

Right now I want the MAGA agenda, but if you look back at Obama -he couldn't get anything passed either.
so we wind up with executive orders, and an OMNIBUS budget- Congress is dead meat.
 
not "ideal" bu there was an attempt at compromise for much of the time.
There would be opposition but legislation was usually passed on a bi-partisan basis/compromised .

Obama was a centrist who tried to compromise repeatedly. And you rewarded the party that obstructed him with your vote and seemingly unconditional support. You support Trump, the guy who dragged politics into the shitter. So in effect, you are the problem. Not Obama.

Right now I want the MAGA agenda, but if you look back at Obama -he couldn't get anything passed either.
so we wind up with executive orders, and an OMNIBUS budget- Congress is dead meat.

Congress has delivered Trump virtually all of his victories so far. And by victories, I mean Gorsuch.
 
republicans voted against their own written and sponsered bills when Obama said they would sign them
 
http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/...oved-until-barack-obama-became-president.html




10 ideas Republicans loved until Barack Obama became President
by Amy Lynn Smith

It’s not the ideas they hate, is it?
Republican obstructionism isn’t exactly new in Washington, D.C. It’s been all the rage since Barack Obama was elected President. Since then, a majority of Republicans have gone to great lengths in an attempt to torpedo his Presidency.
The twisted irony is this: Many of the ideas President Obama and the Democrats have tried to put forth were actually Republican ideas first. So when you think about it, finding common ground and passing legislation that might, you know, help the American people, would be possible if *Republicans weren’t hell-bent on attacking President Obama.
Here are 10 examples:
1. The Obamacare individual mandate. Before they became obsessed with bringing down Obamacare, Republicans had the idea of a free-rider fee for people who can afford health insurance but refuse to buy it, also known as the individual mandate. The free-rider fee is part of “Romneycare” in Massachusetts.
2. End-of-life counseling. Republicans also used to include counseling for end-of-life issues in their own healthcare proposals. But when President Obama liked the idea? Well, he just wants to kill your grandparents. Oh, and by the way, the so-called “death panels” are nothing of the kind. It’s simply about giving patients and their families the information they need to make the best decisions about the end-of-life care they want.
3. Donor disclosure. Before they opposed the DISCLOSE Act, Republican Congressional leaders were all for transparency in campaign contributions. How can we forget House GOP leader John Boehner proclaiming that “sunlight is the best disinfectant”?
4. Clean energy. There was once a day when Congressional Republicans made clean energy a priority. They supported national energy laboratories, hybrid-vehicle manufacturers and the development of electric car batteries. Now, of course, they want nothing to do with clean energy. After all, there are plenty of climate-change deniers to claim there’s no reason to make the investment.
5. Medicare cost savings. Before they accused Obamacare of “cutting” $700 billion from Medicare, Republicans in Congress proposed the same $700 billion in savings from reducing waste and inefficiencies in Medicare. But unlike the cuts made by Obamacare, which come from eliminating excess payments to providers (not patients), the GOP wanted to use the money for more tax cuts for the wealthy. Not to mention that Republicans have been trying to make cuts to Medicare for years, and still are. Vouchers, anyone?
6. Deficit-reduction commission. This one’s downright blatant. Republicans in Congress voted against their own bill to create a deficit-reduction commission because, according to a former GOP senator, they wanted to “stick it to the president.”
7. Welfare flexibility. After wanting more flexibility to eliminate red tape and move people out of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program and into jobs, Mitt Romney, GOP governors and Congressional Republicans fought the idea when the Obama Administration proposed it.
8. Nuclear START treaty. Before they tried to block the nuclear START treaty negotiated by the Obama Administration, Republican leaders supported it under Presidents Reagan and Bush.
9. Gun violence prevention. Republicans in Congress helped President Reagan pass the Brady Bill establishing a national gun purchase background check system and pass a ban on military-style assault weapons. Now Republicans in Congress
oppose restoring the ban, and voted against closing the background check loophole that lets criminals buy guns easily at gun shows and over the Internet.
10. Upholding the Constitution. Many Republicans — especially Conservatives — say they live by the Constitution. But they can’t seem to make up their minds about the Constitution’s eligibility requirements to serve as President. Conservatives have, and still do, argue that if President Obama were born in a foreign country (which he wasn’t) to his American mother, he’d be ineligible to be President. But they don’t seem to have a problem with Tea Party darling Senator Ted Cruz running for President — even though he actually was born in a foreign country to an American mother.
[GOPosaur image courtesy of Daily Kos]
 
republicans voted against their own written and sponsered bills when Obama said they would sign them

Republicans also got most of what they wanted when they actually compromised with Obama. Obamacare itself is based on Republican ideas. Republicans felt that it was more advantageous to obstruct him. Because, lets be honest, their base is full of degenerates who couldn't handle a black president.

 
Fuck Kissinger, anyone who supports him or references him in their sig as a source of wisdom.

:hand: :hand: :hand:

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Obama was a centrist who tried to compromise repeatedly. And you rewarded the party that obstructed him with your vote and seemingly unconditional support. You support Trump, the guy who dragged politics into the shitter. So in effect, you are the problem. Not Obama.
he was far left. the point being that both sides do this. Congress hasn't been in session a day under Trump without some goofball yelling for impeachment, and the entire Democratic party -even the leadership yelling for the "resistance"

so who is practicing gutter politics?
I realize you are a hopeless partisan, but facts are facts

Congress has delivered Trump virtually all of his victories so far. And by victories, I mean Gorsuch.
no attempts to even work together..it was screwed up when the Republicans did it,and it's screwed up now by the Dems
 
Iraqi Kurds?
Kissinger is a war criminal -no disagreement, but he's also the one who came up with Triangulation
and espouses realpolitik..

I mean if you care to look at this past a cartoon image -those are worthy ideas.
 
he was far left. the point being that both sides do this. Congress hasn't been in session a day under Trump without some goofball yelling for impeachment, and the entire Democratic party -even the leadership yelling for the "resistance"

so who is practicing gutter politics?
I realize you are a hopeless partisan, but facts are facts


no attempts to even work together..it was screwed up when the Republicans did it,and it's screwed up now by the Dems
Perhaps your tears would have some merit had you shed them as often when the party of NO was doing it relentlessly against the last president..:evilnod:
 
Perhaps your tears would have some merit had you shed them as often when the party of NO was doing it relentlessly against the last president..
i did Bill.
I've always called for governing by Constitutional means (legislation) instead of s t r e t c h i n g executive powers.
I value process as much or more as results
 
i did Bill.
I've always called for governing by Constitutional means (legislation) instead of s t r e t c h i n g executive powers.
I value process as much or more as results

you prefer the russian DEEP STATE


your love of the republucan party has DEEP ROOTS
 
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