Republicans fail to pass healthcare reform

aloysious said:
Possible but next time Lisa Murkowski comes up for reelection I will not vote for her. I will vote for the Tea Party guy (Joe Miller) who perpetually runs against her and who I always despised. But I've finally had enough of Lisa. Many people I've talked to say the same thing.
Kind of the same storm that has brewed for a long time which got Trump elected.
I know Joe Miller would vote on principle and not be concerned with job security. And I like that.
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Lisa hopefully votes how the majority of her constituents want her to vote.
http://alaska-native-news.com/new-polling-results-alaskans-like-their-aca-26129
 
Sailor said:
Obviously that is not true. At all. Otherwise insurers would not be bailing out left and right. How many government programs do you know of where anyone would bail out?
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The reason they are bailing is the uncertainty of the funding, subsidies. If the ACA were fully funded there would not be this problem.

If medicine was not for profit, there wouldn't be this problem.

If we were able to obtain the same insurance as our Congress, there would not be this problem.
 
Covfefe said:
The reason they are bailing is the uncertainty of the funding, subsidies. If the ACA were fully funded there would not be this problem.

If medicine was not for profit, there wouldn't be this problem.

If we were able to obtain the same insurance as our Congress, there would not be this problem.
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If medicine were not for profit who would spend billions finding new life saving/altering drugs?
 
Micawber said:
Just another fail day for the big orange loser

He's under his desk hoping nobody with knock
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Cheetos face's fail pail runneth over...
 
cawacko said:
But what's Trumps position here?
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Don't know or care.
cawacko said:
On one hand he says repeal and replace and on the other hand he says everyone should have great care. And the tea party and Trump are pretty diametrically opposed
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My stand is libertarian on health care. It's a responsibility, not a right, imo. I was fine with the old non system.
If we have to have a system then Moosecare would be the best, by far. Those two will never happen because like you said, once a population gets an entitlement it's damn near impossible to take it back (job security for pols) and politicians are too unimaginative for something as innovative as Moosecare.
So the third best option is for repubs to suck it up and fix ACA. They won't do that. Eventually repubs will be out of power and maybe dims will fix it if it hasn't completely imploded by then, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They seem to think everything with ACA is sunshine and roses ,their head in the sand, my new addition to defining characteristics of dims.
 
Covfefe said:
People who care, there are people like that, cawacko, they do it in other countries.
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People just spend billions because they care? Like who?

Edit: Do pension funds or other institutional investors just give away their money for drug research?
 
Micawber said:
How out of touch you are. The entire process was done in secret without any Dem input. The problem was a secret process that didn't address even the breadth of Republican thinking, such as it is.

The fail is a failure within your party, not a reaching across ideological aisles.

That said a trillion dollar tax cut for mass death failing is a good day for good people.
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And what did your Communist Dumbshitocrats do with Obamacare? Secret closed door meetings with ZERO Republican input and shoved it down our throats. You Communists are all alike.
 
Boris The Animal said:
And what did your Communist Dumbshitocrats do with Obamacare? Secret closed door meetings with ZERO Republican input and shoved it down our throats. You Communists are all alike.
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You don't have a clue do you, fireman...

Obamacare was debated and amended by both sides for a year and a half in open session...
Rush lies to you all fucking day long, and you are stupid enough to believe him.
 
Republican establishment weasels @ work.
They should be talking about the premiums/availability and the fact OBCare is another (new) entitlement..

I get the idea Medicade expansion is a fun way for the states to pay for their coverage.
But we should at least be honest enough to say this is a deficit buster.

But that might lead to an actual serious discussion that we need to address how to insure low income-Americans without pure subsides.

Public Option please!
 
When republican senators go home for the 4th of July break and attend home state events, they will be inundated and confronted by their constituents blasting them for even considering voting for Turtle-boys murderous, piece of shit, heartless legislation .
He tried to keep it under wraps and behind closed doors because he realized that once the public knew what it contained, the pressure on GOP senators to dump his bill would be enormous ...
The window for success was this week and Turtle boy blew it.

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Looks like Obama got the last laugh on Trump and Republicans. He won the healthcare argument, and planted a trap for Republican that has now been sprung.
 
Sailor said:
Tell me there genius. In your own words. Not some copy and pasted bullshit from a far left looney site. Are you capable?
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No she is not, she'd be totally fucked without Wiki. That all she ever does, it's like somebody who invites you to dinner at their house and then dumps the ingredients in your lap and says there's the kitchen get on with it.

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Jarod said:
They may pass something that alters Obama care a little bit, but we are never going back to where we were before Obama permanently changed the face of American healthcare for the better.
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Its a real dog's breakfast.

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cawacko said:
They know they'll get voted out of office if they do. Most of the people who will lose coverage aren't losing private coverage they're losing Medicaid. Once you get "free" care you don't want to give that up.
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Yes, those damn people in nursing homes who worked hard all their lives are just sucking off the American teat.
 
The ACA was the first attempt to improve a sorry HC system.
That doesn't mean it must be held onto as is. If it needs fixing, then why not do it? Don't we own it to our citizens to make HC the best it could be?
I really don't understand why this is such a partisan issue. When the Dems passed the bill, the Reps got their panties in a knot over it. Not because it was an ill refined bill, but because the Dems/Obama got it through. I remember the fear mongering about "the death panels" rather well. The ACA was a start, some parts of it don't work.
So now the GOP is trying to revise it, they are trying to come up with a bill that is better. That gets the Dems in a frenzy just because someone is messing with Obama's key bill. The fear mongering is now coming from the Dems. "people will be dead in the streets"
Tell me folks, if you take the partisan nonsense out of the equation, don't you think passing as perfect of a HC bill as possible is something that could benefit us all?
I am glad the Reps shelved it for now and take the time to improve it.
Ramming something through, we had that last time around. It takes time to get it right.
 
anatta said:
Republican establishment weasels @ work.
They should be talking about the premiums/availability and the fact OBCare is another (new) entitlement..

I get the idea Medicade expansion is a fun way for the states to pay for their coverage.
But we should at least be honest enough to say this is a deficit buster.

But that might lead to an actual serious discussion that we need to address how to insure low income-Americans without pure subsides.

Public Option please!
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I'm not seeing how it's an establishment/anti-establishment thing. If you're an elected republican the chances are very high you are not for a public option.
 
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