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It does. But we aren't starting from zero are we. Nice try at diversion shit stain
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It does. But we aren't starting from zero are we. Nice try at diversion shit stain
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Do the math. At some point, we will be.
The idea that you're arguing any sort of sustainability given the timeframes involves is an immediate credibility nosedive for any other arguments you're trying to make.
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Well explain it to us all genius. Claiming I am wrong without providing an explanation just makes you look like a blowhard.
But hey if you have a different understanding of the laws of thermodynamics then lay it in me brother. I am all eyes
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Poor shit heel dumbass. I ever said they won't become more efficient. I merely stated they will never be as efficient as oil, natural gas and coal. That is just a scientific fact.
God you are ignorant.
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The bolded is a fabricated assertion.
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Let's go Brandon!
So you're delusional as well lol
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Let's go Brandon!
If your measure of a fellow poster is based on a thanks to a poster that you don't like, then what does that say about you lol?
zappasguitar
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Well by golly, there's you saying what I claimed...
And NOW you CONTRADICT yourself.
One of us is indeed a dumbass, but it appears its you
You're scattered all over the place with religious, political and social issues. Societies have been making it up as they go along since the beginning of time. Certain laws of physics don't change.
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I'm interested to hear what laws of physics you think apply to this discussion.
Uhhhh no. T Rex and company were not buried beyond 100 miles of earth. There is no such thing as "fossil fuel". Re-read the articles:
THE REAL SOURCE OF CRUDE OIL WAS ESTABLISHED THROUGH AN EXPERIMENT PERFORMED BY A COMPANY IN HOUSTON IN 2004. THEY DECIDED TO TEST A RUSSIAN THEORY DATING FROM THE 1960S THAT STATES THAT CRUDE OIL COMES FROM PLANKTON IN THE SEA. HERE IS THE THEORY:
PHYTOPLANKTON PERFORM PHOTOSYNTHESIS AND ABSORB CO2 FROM THE AIR. THE PHYTOPLANKTON ARE EATEN BY ZOOPLANKTON THAT PRODUCE TINY SHELLS. WHEN THE ZOOPLANKTON DIE, THEY FALL TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. THEIR ORGANIC MATTER ROTS, BUT THEIR SHELLS LEAVE BEHIND CALCIUM CARBONATE, CaCO3, A DURABLE CARBON CONTAINING COMPOUND. OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS THE CALCIUM CARBONATE BECOMES BONDED TOGETHER INTO SOLID MARBLE OR LIMESTONE.
SOMETIMES THAT MARBLE IS THRUST UP OUT OF THE SEA AS IT IS IN PLACES LIKE VERMONT. IN OTHER AREAS, IT CAN BE THRUST DOWN INTO THE EARTH (SUBDUCTED). WHEN IT REACHES A DEPTH OF ABOUT 60 MILES, THE EXTREME PRESSURE AND HEAT CAUSES CALCIUM CARBONATE TO REACT WITH WATER AND IRON OXIDE TO PRODUCE NATURAL GAS (METHANE, CH4). WHEN IT REACHES A DEPTH OF ABOUT 100 MILES, CRUDE OIL IS PRODUCED.
NOTE THAT WHEN WE BURN CRUDE OIL, CO2 IS RELEASED TO FEED THE PLANKTON, TO PRODUCE MORE CALCIUM CARBONATE, TO PRODUCE MORE OIL... THUS CRUDE OIL IS A RENEWABLE RESOURCE.
SO HOW DOES THE RUSSIAN THEORY STAND UP? THE HOUSTON EXPERIMENT FOUND THAT CRUDE OIL WAS PRODUCED IN EXACTLY THE COMPOSITION AND PROPORTIONS WE FIND IN THE GROUND TODAY. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FROM A CHEMISTRY STANDPOINT. IT ALSO AGREES WITH EVERYTHING WE SEE IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF CRUDE OIL AND WHERE WE FIND IT IN THE EARTH.
THE CRUDE OIL WE FIND IS PERCOLATING UP FROM FAR BELOW WHERE WE DISCOVER IT TRAPPED IN THE EARTH. THE CRUDE WE SEE IS LIKE THE COFFEE IN THE SMALL GLASS BUBBLE ON THE TOP OF A PERCOLATOR - MOST OF IT IS DOWN BELOW.
THERE'S A VERY INTERESTING OIL WELL ON AN ISLAND OFF THE COAST OF LOUISIANA. A FEW YEARS AGO IT APPEARED TO BE REACHING THE END OF ITS PRODUCTIVE LIFE, ITS PRODUCTION WAS DECLINING.
SUDDENLY ITS OIL PRODUCTION WENT UP AND THE OIL CHANGED FROM A MEDIUM CRUDE TO A LIGHT CRUDE! THIS MEANS A YOUNGER SOURCE OF OIL WAS COMING UP FROM BELOW.
IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT IN THE 70S SAUDI ARABIAN CRUDE WAS PREDICTED TO HAVE RUN OUT BY NOW, YET THEIR RESERVES HAVE RISEN. IN ALL PROBABILITY, YOUNGER CRUDE IS COMING UP FROM BELOW.
WE NEED CHEAP ENERGY AND OIL IS NEARLY PERFECT FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES. IT PACKS A LOT OF ENERGY PER GALLON, IS EASILY PUMPED, AND PRODUCES A NICE CO2 FEEDSTOCK FOR PLANKTON.SO WHY IS IT VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE HOUSTON EXPERIMENT? IT HAS THE DISTINCT RING OF TRUTH, AND IT IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT PERFORMED SO FAR THIS CENTURY. IT MAY BE THAT JOURNALISTS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE, OR THEY MAY STILL BELIEVE THAT CRUDE OIL COMES FROM DINOSAURS.
THE LONG TERM CHALLENGE IS TO FIND THE CHEAPEST WAY TO PRODUCE OIL AND NOT GET UNDERCUT BY THE SAUDIS. IT MEANS IMPROVED TECHNOLOGY TO GET TO THE DEEPER OIL THAT WE NEED.
Thomas Gold, a professor of astronomy who taught at Cornell University in the 90's.
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The widespread use of the term “fossil fuels” is a deception created by anti-energy propagandists and earlier theorists to make people believe that oil is the result of countless dead dinosaurs and decaying vegetation. Oil, however, is “abiotic”, a term that means it is a natural product of the earth itself manufactured at deep levels where there never were any plants or animals.
Carbon is the fourth more abundant element in the universe, right after hydrogen, helium, and oxygen. Thomas Gold pointed out that carbon is found mostly in compounds with hydrogen—hydrocarbons—which, at different temperatures and pressures, may be gaseous, liquid, or solid.
Eliminating the fear that the world is running out of oil eliminates an urgency to experiment with or to implement alternative fuels including biofuels, wind energy, and solar energy as long as these energies remain less energy-efficient, less reliable, and more costly than using oil and natural gas.
The Earth is not running out of oil and likely never will.
Dr. Jerome R. Corsi’s , The Great Oil Conspiracy
No. Not a different one. Just the one engineering schools and real science teaches. Not some yahoo that watched a few youtube videos and decided to make a "off grid" system a two year old can do. They claim themselves and expert.
Now put up or shut up. Your explanation for the 2nd law of thermodynamics is just wrong. Plain old wrong. It is really about entropy always increases. Not that I would expect you to know what entropy is. Or how that would apply to an alternative energy system or something like carnot's cycle. Something else I am sure you have no fucking clue about.
Anyway. Please, please educate us all on how the 2nd law of thermodynamics is being broken by alternative energy sources, yet mysteriously only works for conventional power sources including fossil fuels. Please professor, put your money where your uneducated mouth is.
Don't mistake me for a fanatic. Wind and solar have been around forever. Nothing wrong with either. Nuclear is fine as well. But, I'm not a fanatic who says that oil and coal power must be destroyed, nor am I a fanatic who says that wind, solar & nuclear are now the ONLY acceptable choices. All forms of energy production can be made and used in sensible and safe ways to suit the needs of each individual user. Comes down to freedom of choice again.
This is words of wisdom here. They can ( and right now have to) compliment each other to serves the worlds energy needs. Eventually there will even be a power source that dwarfs what we are all discussing now. Maybe not in our lifetime, but someone will figure it out.
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This would go a lot easier if you didn't misstate what I am saying.
I never claimed that the mere existence of wind and solar violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics
I merely pointed out and correctly that Entropy will prevent them from ever being more efficient than oil, natural gas and coal. That is just a fact. That doesn't mean they won't become more efficient. I am sure they can. But they will never be AS EFFICIENT as the big three
I am not opposed to them as being part of a non government subsidized energy policy.
I just think it is a pipe dream to believe that they will be able to switch us over to an economy run on solar and wind. It is impossible.
Not sure how much more clear I can make it. If you want to persist in misreading what I am saying then all I can say is go fuck yourself
zappasguitar
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Neither am I.
I am in the "all of the above" column when it comes to energy.
ALL forms of energy production must be utilized.
I'm in the mood to publicly embarrass myself today so I'm gonna take a stab at the thermodynamic stuff. Hopefully, Sailor and/or Alice can correct me where I'm wrong.
From what I was taught...looooooooooonnnng time ago.
1st Law:
Ultimately says nothing is ever destroyed, nothing. Scientists have recognized that things change form, but nothing is ever destroyed. Furthermore, nothing is being created. That which has already been created can be rearranged into other shapes and forms, but nothing is being created. Science knows that. Matter is static in the sense that it's never destroyed and it's never being created. Nothing new and nothing going out of existence (kind of like what the Bible says). Science calls it conservation of mass and energy, right?
2nd Law:
This states that although mass and energy are always conserved, they are also breaking down and going from order to disorder. In other words, while you never destroy matter, and it's never created, it is disintegrating, breaking down. It goes from order to disorder, from cosmos to chaos, from system to non-system. Matter breaks down and as it breaks down its energy dissipates and ultimately the world and the universe as we know it will become dead because of the total breakdown of energy. It'll be unable to reproduce itself and it'll become a dead universe.
This is the opposite of the Theory of Evolution which says that somehow matter is in the process of going upward...it's always improving and it goes from the one celled amoeba to complex man. That's not what science and the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics says.
From what I was taught...looooooooooonnnng time ago.
1st Law:
Ultimately says nothing is ever destroyed, nothing. Scientists have recognized that things change form, but nothing is ever destroyed. Furthermore, nothing is being created. That which has already been created can be rearranged into other shapes and forms, but nothing is being created. Science knows that. Matter is static in the sense that it's never destroyed and it's never being created. Nothing new and nothing going out of existence (kind of like what the Bible says). Science calls it conservation of mass and energy, right?
2nd Law:
This states that although mass and energy are always conserved, they are also breaking down and going from order to disorder. In other words, while you never destroy matter, and it's never created, it is disintegrating, breaking down. It goes from order to disorder, from cosmos to chaos, from system to non-system. Matter breaks down and as it breaks down its energy dissipates and ultimately the world and the universe as we know it will become dead because of the total breakdown of energy. It'll be unable to reproduce itself and it'll become a dead universe.
This is the opposite of the Theory of Evolution which says that somehow matter is in the process of going upward...it's always improving and it goes from the one celled amoeba to complex man. That's not what science and the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics says.
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Wow.
The only thing you have pointed out, quite correctly, is that you have no idea what entropy is for starters. As far as efficiency of the "Big Three", how about you list the efficiencies of fossil fuel generating power plants? Then the efficiencies of alternatives? You are not making your case at all.