More discussion on housing proposals, zoning and gentrification

cawacko

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This group has pretty strong progressive credentials and they're speaking to Berkeley's zoning laws that prevent density and thus more affordable housing. This references racist restrictive zoning laws in Berkeley of the past and how it's defacto segregation of today as it forces communities of color and poor folk out of the City. Berkeley is in the running for one of the most liberal cities in the country and this is what they are proposing. We've had multiple debates over this on the board with progressives arguing what Berkeley is doing here is ok. To each his own but I don't understand it.




California’s Leading Housing Affordability and Displacement Experts Sound the Alarm on Berkeley’s Housing Proposals


The Bay Area is suffering from an enormous affordability crisis. Rents have risen rapidly and displacement throughout the region is on the rise. As a result, communities of color, young people, teachers, and many, many others are driven away and excluded from living in Berkeley.

Land use policies, the underproduction of housing, rising income inequality, and the legacy of Proposition 13 are some of the main culprits of the housing crisis. Berkeley needs to make a serious effort to address these important issues. Unfortunately, many items on the June 13th Berkeley City Council agenda have the potential to worsen affordability and displacement. We urge the City Council to think critically before adopting policies which may harm our most vulnerable community members. We have highlighted just two of the many housing policies Berkeley City Council will discuss on June 13. Please write to the Mayor and Council to voice your concern over these proposals so they don’t make Berkeley even more exclusive and expensive.

Downzoning (Item 46)

Item 46 asks city staff and Planning Commission to consider downzoning Berkeley, among other things. Downzoning means that fewer housing units would be built in Berkeley in the midst of an unprecedented housing crisis. Many scholars, including our co-signers Michael Lens and Paavo Monkkonen, have studied the effect of land use policies and have concluded that downzoning leads to higher housing costs and economic and racial segregation. After the Supreme Court outlawed the enforcement of racial covenants in 1948, cities like Berkeley passed restrictive zoning laws to prohibit Chinese laundromats, African American dance halls, and apartments in wealthier and whiter parts of the City, with the underlying goal of excluding low-income communities of color. Policies like downzoning are similarly restrictive and favor millionaire homeowners over residents of apartment buildings. In fact, progressive cities like Seattle are going the opposite direction, with a new Mandatory Housing Affordability program. Downzoning would be a disastrous step backwards for Berkeley, and will undoubtedly worsen affordability and lead to even more displacement and exclusion.

Raising housing fees and requirements without updated data (Item 53)

Item 53 is a proposal to raise fees and requirements on new housing units to levels that exceed the City’s most recent 2015 affordable housing nexus study recommendations (p.36). To be clear, we support reasonable fees and policy choices that encourage the production of as much subsidized below market rate (BMR) housing as possible. While both market rate and subsidized housing address displacement, our co-signer Karen Chapple’s own study showed that subsidized units do it better. However, the proposed changes could hinder overall market rate and affordable housing production because:

The proposed fees and onsite BMR requirements are significantly higher than neighboring cities. For instance, the proposed affordable housing impact fee is over six times the current amount of West Oakland’s multi-family housing fees (in July, it will be over triple the amount). The San Francisco Board of Supervisors recently had to adjust their requirements because voters had the foresight to require an economic study to ensure that the requirements were not set too high and didn't inadvertently kill housing production.

The proposed housing fees, the onsite BMR requirements and calculations, and the annual indexing mechanism are arbitrarily assigned and have not been qualified by a new nexus study or an updated third party financial feasibility analysis. The most recent feasibility analysis used outdated land values and excluded recently passed school and arts fees. The dramatic changes of the last two years are not accurately reflected in either the 2015 or 2016 studies.

In theory, charging higher fees to market rate developers can lead to a more equitable city. But in practice we won't know until we analyze the evidence. In short, it would be a huge mistake if Council passes any new fees or BMR levels without a proper nexus study or updated feasibility analysis. If the levels are set too high (and they are likely to be among the highest in the Bay Area), we will drive new housing to other cities and will not likely see any affordable housing–or any housing–in Berkeley for a long time.

Please urge City Council (council@cityofberkeley.info) to do the following:

Oppose downzoning (Item 46) which would perpetuate the affordability crisis

Support Councilmember Lori Droste’s recommendation (Item 51) for feasibility analysis on assessed fees for housing development every two years and

Oppose raising fees (Item 53) unless a new nexus study or an updated feasibility study is completed and recommends higher fees.

Our most vulnerable community members and the next generation needs you.


http://www.loridroste.com/housing_op_ed_6_8_2017
 
Racist white men instituted zoning laws, segregation, sundown towns, high housing prices, redlining, gerrymandering, gentrification.....etc.

You can keep trying to blame white liberals all you want, but the current state of all the above was invented, instituted and implemented by the racist white man since he has been the only one in charge of this country since it's inception.

See, you're not interested in the true cause of the problem, just that it's a problem that you can now attempt to blame liberals for. As was pointed out to you before, you try to define racism by zip codes.

Just give it up, or move to the south where you won't have to deal with this problem in CA.

Why are you here since it's so many racist liberals?
 
Racist white men instituted zoning laws, segregation, sundown towns, high housing prices, redlining, gerrymandering, gentrification.....etc.

You can keep trying to blame white liberals all you want, but the current state of all the above was invented, instituted and implemented by the racist white man since he has been the only one in charge of this country since it's inception.

See, you're not interested in the true cause of the problem, just that it's a problem that you can now attempt to blame liberals for. As was pointed out to you before, you try to define racism by zip codes.

Just give it up, or move to the south where you won't have to deal with this problem in CA.

Why are you here since it's so many racist liberals?

All I can do is live in the present. I don't have a time machine to go back and change things. So living in the present I can comment on what is currently happening. This column is written by progressives stating what the results of the proposed policy is. You're free to not discuss it or care about it but this is something that has played out across our state and has very real consequences.

I'm not moving anywhere. Nor does the fact that I care to discuss these things mean I should move. Hell, I own property. I benefit from all this.

You can feel free not to call it racism. But as the article shows it's communities of colors and the poor who are hurt the most. That's the real world consequences.
 
Good of you to recognize the existence and persistence of white male privilege and the ongoing legacy of institutionalized racism.

You've got your work cut out for you trying to convince your fellow rightwingers it is a problem, let alone that it exists.

As far as I can tell, it has been only liberals that, broadly speaking, have at least recognized the problem of white privilege.

When do you thing conservatives are going to get on board?
 
Good of you to recognize the existence and persistence of white male privilege and the ongoing legacy of institutionalized racism.

You've got your work cut out for you trying to convince your fellow rightwingers it is a problem, let alone that it exists.

As far as I can tell, it has been only liberals that, broadly speaking, have at least recognized the problem of white privilege.

When do you thing conservatives are going to get on board?

Cypress, liberals aren't doing sh*t. Read the article. Why do we have such a housing crisis in California? Because coastal liberals don't want new development in their neighborhoods. Like the article says what Berkeley is proposing will force minorities out. It's what SF is doing as well. How is that liberals helping minorities or the poor. It's well to do white liberals saying I've got mine and F everyone else.
 
All I can do is live in the present. I don't have a time machine to go back and change things. So living in the present I can comment on what is currently happening. This column is written by progressives stating what the results of the proposed policy is. You're free to not discuss it or care about it but this is something that has played out across our state and has very real consequences.

I'm not moving anywhere. Nor does the fact that I care to discuss these things mean I should move. Hell, I own property. I benefit from all this.

You can feel free not to call it racism. But as the article shows it's communities of colors and the poor who are hurt the most. That's the real world consequences.


All I can do is live in the present. I don't have a time machine to go back and change things.

Ah haven't you heard the saying "if you don't learn from your mistakes, you're doom to repeat them"

Since most wont acknowledge that what happened in the past has shaped our future, they will continue to be ignorant of how things are the way they are.

And, you are helping me make my case by admitting that you, as a white man, are benefiting from the way things were and are.
 
Cypress, liberals aren't doing sh*t. Read the article. Why do we have such a housing crisis in California? Because coastal liberals don't want new development in their neighborhoods. Like the article says what Berkeley is proposing will force minorities out. It's what SF is doing as well. How is that liberals helping minorities or the poor. It's well to do white liberals saying I've got mine and F everyone else.


Nonsense. That is not why housing prices are high and you know it.
 
Nonsense. That is not why housing prices are high and you know it.

I'm going to guess you didn't read the article because even though it's written by progressives it might force you out of your preconceived comfort zones.
 
Ah haven't you heard the saying "if you don't learn from your mistakes, you're doom to repeat them"

Since most wont acknowledge that what happened in the past has shaped our future, they will continue to be ignorant of how things are the way they are.

And, you are helping me make my case by admitting that you, as a white man, are benefiting from the way things were and are.

Yes. When demand outpaces supply and we don't build new housing those who currently own housing benefit. This is Econ 101.
 
I won't charge for the truth.

Dude, It's the capitalistic real estate market.

Don't play dumb.

I don't think you know how the market works regarding housing prices. I think that's why you don't read the articles because it's not comfortable and you won't like what you read
 
I don't think you know how the market works regarding housing prices. I think that's why you don't read the articles because it's not comfortable and you won't like what you read

First off, I don't read your article(s) because most are full of shit. You purposefully find some left leaning smutt who falls for right wing ideology and takes he/her opinion as fact.

Second, I don't believe ANYTHING that comes from anyone on the right....even those who claim to be moderate, libertarian, etc. whos false label doesn't fit their narrative or ideology.

Third, I go by history, not an opinion article. I guarantee you, a 3bd/2bath house in Santa Monica California isn't 1 million dollars because white liberals don't want Blacks or Mexicans living near them.

When are you going to point out the racism in the south who still have segregated neighborhoods?

Or how about pointing out Orange County CA which is a republican district, where racist whites set fire to a house where Blacks had just moved in?

You are failing miserable at trying to paint liberal CA to be as racist as the south.

Just give up.
 
I don't think you know how the market works regarding housing prices. I think that's why you don't read the articles because it's not comfortable and you won't like what you read

This is right wing backwards talk.

It's you people who don't like the truth, that's why you are desperately trying to paint liberals as racist as right wing whites.

And to clear things up, a right winger can NEVER make me uncomfortable. You people don't even live in reality.
 
First off, I don't read your article(s) because most are full of shit. You purposefully find some left leaning smutt who falls for right wing ideology and takes he/her opinion as fact.

Second, I don't believe ANYTHING that comes from anyone on the right....even those who claim to be moderate, libertarian, etc. whos false label doesn't fit their narrative or ideology.

Third, I go by history, not an opinion article. I guarantee you, a 3bd/2bath house in Santa Monica California isn't 1 million dollars because white liberals don't want Blacks or Mexicans living near them.

When are you going to point out the racism in the south who still have segregated neighborhoods?

Or how about pointing out Orange County CA which is a republican district, where racist whites set fire to a house where Blacks had just moved in?

You are failing miserable at trying to paint liberal CA to be as racist as the south.

Just give up.

This doesn't make you a bad person you just don't understand how markets work and you choose not to educate yourself about them. The reason a 3/2 in Santa Monica and other coastal cities cost well over $1 million is because they have severe restrictions on what can be built. That's the whole basis of everything I've posted. It's what the Berkeley article above is about. When cities restrict development prices go up. And who gets hurt? The middle class and the poor. Who benefits? The homeowners.

You are free to read nothing and not educate yourself. That's your choice.
 
This is right wing backwards talk.

It's you people who don't like the truth, that's why you are desperately trying to paint liberals as racist as right wing whites.

And to clear things up, a right winger can NEVER make me uncomfortable. You people don't even live in reality.

I don't like the truth about how markets and supply and demand work? Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better but you would be laughed out of any presentation with your knowledge of markets.
 
This doesn't make you a bad person you just don't understand how markets work and you choose not to educate yourself about them. The reason a 3/2 in Santa Monica and other coastal cities cost well over $1 million is because they have severe restrictions on what can be built. That's the whole basis of everything I've posted. It's what the Berkeley article above is about. When cities restrict development prices go up. And who gets hurt? The middle class and the poor. Who benefits? The homeowners.

You are free to read nothing and not educate yourself. That's your choice.

How many houses do you think can be built on one shoreline?

LOL OK cawacky. Racist white liberals are the reason why housing prices are so high.

Since I live by history and experience, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I will start telling my Black village that racist white liberals are the cause of high housing prices because they are stopping new housing developments and they should turn to republicans who will bring the cost of housing down by building new affordable housing on the beaches and downtown areas.

I'm not sure how the republicans will lower housing prices on developments built in down town LA and NY, but I'm sure those foreign and domestic investors who purchase the high rises and remodel the old building into works of high end art, will sell them dirt cheap.

I doubt anyone will believe me, but I'll give it a try.
 
How many houses do you think can be built on one shoreline?

LOL OK cawacky. Racist white liberals are the reason why housing prices are so high.

Since I live by history and experience, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I will start telling my Black village that racist white liberals are the cause of high housing prices because they are stopping new housing developments and they should turn to republicans who will bring the cost of housing down by building new affordable housing on the beaches and downtown areas.

I'm not sure how the republicans will lower housing prices on developments built in down town LA and NY, but I'm sure those foreign and domestic investors who purchase the high rises and remodel the old building into works of high end art, will sell them dirt cheap.

I doubt anyone will believe me, but I'll give it a try.

You don't have to use liberal or conservative, you can just tell them the truth. California has very restrictive land use and zoning policies which delays and prevents development; especially in the Bay Area and LA. As a result supply does not keep up with demand and we have the most expensive housing in the country. It's also why we have such suburban sprawl and god awful traffic. Those are the facts.

It you want to get political you can say Democrats control the state and the areas where restrictions on housing are strictest. You can point to votes in LA and SF that support reducing new development. You can point to what's happening in Berkeley and the article i posted above.

Many people moved to the IE from LA because they were priced out of LA. They know first hand what the restrictive policies wrought.
 
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